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Let me guess: This is Israel's fault?

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper

Lol, exactly

I know it's sad but i couldn't help myself from laughing when reading that article. I really can't believe what morons those guys were. But on a more serious note, I really don't think a person who has dedicated his/her life to killing himself and surrounding civilians could be classified as very bright.

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There is no point to this. This is disgusting and neddless. But from a palestinian point of view, anything American is evil to them. Persons that work for a corporation that deals with "security in the mideast" and is by the way an American corp are clearly not going to be welcomed.

The American government and people who fund them are responisible for the bullets and tanks that reak havoc in their lives, and i think they see in in this perspective.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Persons that work for a corporation that deals with "security in the mideast" and is by the way an American corp are clearly not going to be welcomed. The American government and people who fund them are responisible for the bullets and tanks that reak havoc in their lives, and i think they see in in this perspective.

I agree with that

No group has claimed responsibility for Wednesday's attack. Two Palestinian militant groups -- Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad -- told news agencies they had nothing to do with the bombing.

OMG CONSPIRACY!? You know the Bush administration may use this to attack nieghboring countires that support the Palestinians, maybe Syria?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King There is no point to this. This is disgusting and neddless. But from a palestinian point of view, anything American is evil to them. Persons that work for a corporation that deals with "security in the mideast" and is by the way an American corp are clearly not going to be welcomed. The American government and people who fund them are responisible for the bullets and tanks that reak havoc in their lives, and i think they see in in this perspective.

Responsibility lies in the hands of the dickhead who pulled the trigger. Yeah, "Evil America maaaaade me do it!". That's crap.

Obiously Mossad work.


/sarcasm off

Now, when I think about this incident, maybe there was some logic to it. You see, less university students->less powerful or educated people->less support for the palestinians on the global scale->increased poverty and opression->more blinded terrorist supporters.

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Originally posted by rizen OMG CONSPIRACY!? You know the Bush administration may use this to attack nieghboring countires that support the Palestinians, maybe Syria?

i think so too

or maybe it was Israelis who did it. It was not a normal suicide attack and the one who earned most on this is, Israelis. so it may be

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Originally posted by Cyrus King But from a Palestinian point of view, anything American is evil to them. Persons that work for a corporation that deals with "security in the mideast" and is by the way an American corp are clearly not going to be welcomed. The American government is responsible for the bullets and tanks that reak havoc in their lives, and i think they see in in this perspective.

I agree. Sorry for editing a bit. I will take this one step further.

The USA gives more money EVERY year to Israel (stop and think how little of a country Israel is) than to any other country on the globe. With that money (which they really don't need, they have their own money), Israel is able to afford the arms and military that no other nation in the Middle East can afford. So if a group of suppressed people (i.e. Palestinians) declares war on Israel (peoples do declare war on other peoples), tell me how should they fight their war?

They want what anyone wants. What you (whoever you are, it matters not) want, what I want. How do they fight this war? Really, if you fight Israel it is like fighting USA because of all of the money that has been poured into Israel.

The Palestinian people don't have the money, the weapons, the military to fight a "legitimate" war like the USA just engaged in, in Iraq. Tell me. How do they fight a war against Israel? What tanks do they use? What armies?

If the world dislikes terrorism or terrorist tactics, maybe the world should give the Palestines the wherewithal to acquire a military and armor equal to those of the Israelis. Then we can have a normal war.

You know, the Israelis and global community cry out everytime a young child of Israel is killed by a terrorist. Why does not the world protest when a Palestinian child is killed by a nation that has money, military, technology...everything that they need to be efficient? To me, they have everything they need to do it right. And they still can't get it right. How can they criticize the Palestinians who have nothing for essentially doing what they do...

I apologize for my English. I tried to say my thoughts correctly though.

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firstly.. I couldn't resist

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence I agree. Sorry for editing a bit. I will take this one step further. The USA gives more money EVERY year to Israel (stop and think how little of a country Israel is) than to any other country on the globe. With that money (which they really don't need, they have their own money), Israel is able to afford the arms and military that no other nation in the Middle East can afford.

Egypt, a nation with 74 million people, and $286 billion GDP (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib...s/wep-harp.html)
versus Israel, a nation with 6 million and $122 billion GDP (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib...s/wep-harp.html)
recieves $1.9 billion vs Israel's $2.76 billion (http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/9190.pdf) meaning, Egypt can afford a bigger, if not better army then Israel. Don't forget this is why the USA give money to Israel - as a balance of Power against Egypt. So get your facts right buddy - Israel's neighbors have much larger armies then Israel does.




Now for my orginal point.

I came up with a conspiracy theory for this attack the other day.

This attack was very suffisticated; it required timing, inside man, and a window of opprotunity. This does not look like the work of Palestinian terror groups, who are fairly incompetent. It looks like something either an intelligence service would do, or an intelligence trained terror group.

Since the Palestinians have no intelligence ( ) I ruled them out.
Next, Israel has a good intelligence, and would be much more capable of an attack that actually "did" something politically then this, if they wanted to make an attack - which in and of itself is highly dobious.

Ruling those two parties out I remember reading after the war with Afghanistan both Al Qadia and Hezbullah operatives had infiltrated into the Palestinian terriotires. This, road-side remote control expolsive to blow up a convey seems very Hezbullah like to me - one of their expertise.

Hezbullah, is a well funded, well trianed terror group by Iran and Syria.. they know what their doing. This required an inside guy (knowing when and where the convey will pass... I compromised this point when I learned the convey was being escort by PA police).

Hezbullah had no real reason to attack an american convey in Palestinine, if it wanted to send the US a message it would have done so otherwise, this leaves Syria and Iran.

Iran, well could of had some interest due to the new threats with the nuclear expectionations - but why would they do this to the US? If they would have wanted to send the US a message, they could have done better. Also, why would they want to initiate hostilites with the US, giving them any excuse at this fragile moment?

That leaves Syria - Syria had a terrorist camp blown up last week as recall. Although that attack was conducted by Israel I am sure Syria saw Israel acting as a proxy for the USA (Israel sent them America's message). Therefore the Syrians replied, they sent the Ameircans, a message through their proxy (Hezbullah/Palestinians). The message was the following; "You can threaten us, but don't underestimate our capablities, we'll fight you tit for tat".


What do you think?