Also has anyone USED/SEEN the emagic Soundriver?

You can change any patch from any sound module you have setup without even touching it

What you are trying to do is real time processing on the line in on your soundcard. It's possible, but hard to do correctly and much easier to do as a post process. This is what I do:

using midi I sequence out my hardware synth parts using a patch and settings as close to what I want as possible.

Connect the hardware synth line out to the sound card line in

Create an audio track in the sequencer and set it to the line in on the sound card

Solo the midi track for your hardware device

check your line in levels to make sure that they are as close to 0 db as possible without going over 0 db

hit record in the sequencer and sit back while your track records in.

Now that the track is in audio format you can mess with the effects on it as much as you want

This is also a great way to layer sounds because you can use the same midi track to record multiple instrument sounds.

Pan each sound a little for great stereo effects.

On some of my old ambient tracks I use to have up to 4 layers for one track, eq and pan them out for really impressive pads and leads.

I know what you mean about feeling wrong about using loops. I use a load of samples and create a loop, and put it through beatburner if I'm feeling creative. Maybe not as good sometimes as pro loops, but I'm working on it and it gives me much more control over every bit.

If you haven't seen beatburner, I seriously recommend it. Check:

http://www.gmediamusic.com/

I have the standalone but it suits me just dandy. I don't need it running in my host program.

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1. I don't know what you mean. Any effects you put on the Virus' sounds that don't come from teh virus itself should be done after the track has been recorded to audio, unless you are using hardware fx of course.

2. Plug simple pc mic into simple sound card and record. You will need to use your old sound card if you have a nice new one

3. I make techno, I use loops. I make my own loops in redrum and then export them to use in Cubase for percussion and stuff.

4. Yes, you can change the patch with a mouse, but sounddiver hogs a midi device, so you may not be able to use it and logic at the same time. Sounddiver is a pain. I use it mainly to store patches and rearrange the order of said patches. Most people here don't manage to get it to work. I

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1)plug your virus outs straight into the line in of your soundcard (or route them tru your mixer if possible)
do all the stuff I explained in point 2 (exc the * if you don't want to record yet) and just add some efx in the inserts
Remember to mute your virus chans on your mixer if you have routed them.


2)make an audio track in the arrangement
go to the environment audiolayer
choose the audiotrack you wish to record on
choose the right input
press record (next to the mute under the fader).. if you chose the right inputs now you'll see the leds go up and down if you talk in your mic
now hit * and you're recording your voice

3) I havent used a downloaded/premade loop in my entire life

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DeZmA,

Your saying I can still route my synth into logic and add effects on the inserts?
Because thats where i heard 'Delay' was an issue.

also, do you know WHAT that actual input is, all I get is Input 1-2

to check where your mic input is :

audio>audio configuration > (new window pops up) > view > IO Labels you can actually rename them there

I'll check the delay thing tomorrow as I have to study now, got examination tomorrow.

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What I do with my MOTU 828mkII is create a midi track and that goes to my Virus, then the sound from the Virus comes into my inputs on my MOTU and to my computer. Now, on the MOTU, there is a direct monitoring choice, which means there is no latency, or delay as you call it, because it goes straight from the the MOTU out to the speakers.

What you're wanting to do is real time hard synth processing with your vsti effects, something I wanted to do as well, and here is one solution.

In my case, I uncheck the direct monitoring option in Cubase. In addtion to the Virus midi out, I set up an audio track as it's partner. I select what channels on my MOTU (soundcard) I have the quarter-inches connected to and click on the speaker (monitor icon) on the audio track.

Here's what happens when you do this: The midi data is sent out to you Virus, the Virus makes the sound, it sends it to the soundcard via the quarter-inch cables, it enters a buss in Cubase where you can add effects or whatever you choose, then audio then leaves that buss in Cubase goes out of the computer into the MOTU and to your speakers.

Different from direct monitoring, right! That's where the delay comes in, the sound goes in then out of your computer and you don't hear the audio until a certain amount of time after the midi note has played. Where you compensate for this delay is in your soundcard settings. You want to set a low sample buffer so the audio gets in and out of your computer quickly so as to minimize the delay. One problem, the lower the buffer and delay, the more strain that's put on your CPU.

So, you can try this, or you can do offline (post-recording) processing. Good luck.

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Last edited by Etherium on Jan-17-2004 at 01:04

How does that MOTU plug into your computer btw? is it direct
or do you need another kinda card, Im imagining thisbig gap in your pc.
Plus If its Usb, Ive heard they are bad for latency

It's Firewire, much faster than USB