hehe, stern was right, it won't stop at him.

http://howardstern.com

blame the fundies.

and i agree, it's fucking ridiculous.

FCC wont let me be, let me be me, so let me see,

they tried to shut me down on mtv,.......

welcome to american conservatism and the republican party holding the highest office in the land

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Originally posted by Ste unlucky, no easy wanks for you.

No wanks = let's all laugh at the Americans because they're ruled by religious fundamentalists?

Seriously though - this is what you get when you've got too many far-right conservative Christians in positions of power.

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Originally posted by arctic No wanks = let's all laugh at the Americans because they're ruled by religious fundamentalists? Seriously though - this is what you get when you've got too many far-right conservative Christians in positions of power.

be careful, cause what if they come to your country when they are done with this one?

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Originally posted by butterfly be careful, cause what if they come to your country when they are done with this one?

Hehe. Sociologically, the US is fascinating, as it's slowly moving towards a theocracy. There are numerous things in place that violate the first amendment and the establishment clause - even the president is fond of dropping the old 'God bless America' and 'I'll be praying for...' phrases, and unlike in other western nations - young earth creationists and Christian television stations actually get time of day. In Europe, Japan, Australia & New Zealand and so on, YECs and ultra-conservatives like Ashcroft (who apparently believes that dancing is a sin) just don't get taken seriously. Australians are different to many Americans, that's all there is to it - this kind of crap wouldn't be tolerated here, or at least I hope it wouldn't. Truly, I genuinely feel sorry for the more liberal and non-religious yanks, it must be hell with all those fundies in your face 24/7. I admire your resilience.

Admittedly in Australia we have a censorship board riddled with a bunch of fucking morons who make some downright idiotic decisions, but they certainly don't go as far as people in the US would. Furthermore, there is evidence of them relaxing their practices, not to mention the fact that most people disagree with their actions.

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Originally posted by arctic Hehe. Sociologically, the US is fascinating, as it's slowly moving towards a theocracy. There are numerous things in place that violate the first amendment and the establishment clause - even the president is fond of dropping the old 'God bless America' and 'I'll be praying for...' phrases, and unlike in other western nations - young earth creationists and Christian television stations actually get time of day. In Europe, Japan, Australia & New Zealand and so on, YECs and ultra-conservatives like Ashcroft (who apparently believes that dancing is a sin) just don't get taken seriously. Australians are different to many Americans, that's all there is to it - this kind of crap wouldn't be tolerated here, or at least I hope it wouldn't. Truly, I genuinely feel sorry for the more liberal and non-religious yanks, it must be hell with all those fundies in your face 24/7. I admire your resilience. Admittedly in Australia we have a censorship board riddled with a bunch of fucking morons who make some downright idiotic decisions, but they certainly don't go as far as people in the US would. Furthermore, there is evidence of them relaxing their practices, not to mention the fact that most people disagree with their actions.

i agree with all this... though i dont think they will ever allow it to be called theocracy. i am hoping it is a phase that the country gets out of soon.

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Originally posted by butterfly i agree with all this... though i dont think they will ever allow it to be called theocracy. i am hoping it is a phase that the country gets out of soon.

Just a warning - there's a long winded rant coming up, so feel free to turn off if this kind of thing annoys you.

Don't get me wrong, it's far from a theocracy at the moment, but it's moving towards it, that much is for certain.

The founding fathers evidently recognised the need for church state separation, and as such penned the establishment clause and the first amendment (I believe that these are two separate things, no?). Thomas Paine in particular was an inspiration, 'The Age Of Reason' is an amazingly insightful piece of work.

The sad thing is, a lot of the founding fathers would be considered too liberal or immoral, and probably would be unable to be elected today. Paine and a few others were actually deists. At present, if you aren't Christian, or at least Jewish, then you can kiss goodbye any political aspirations - you simply wont get in, the religious right is simply too powerful. The RR is dictating it's particular brand of conservative and highly suspect morality to the majority. If they don't like pre-marital sex, then everyone else should hate it too! Thus, they push for exclusive teaching of abstinence in schools, which invariably ends up increasing the amount of unwanted pregnancies. Great logic eh?

Then there's the pledge of allegiance - changed to fight so-called 'godless communism' in the 50s. Add to that the constant 'god bless America', 'we should all pray' and so forth constantly uttered by the republicans, the 'in god we trust' on the money etc. etc., and you've got a recipe for disaster. From conversing with atheists, deists and agnostics who live in the south - it can be absolute hell for them. I've heard of cases of people being kicked out of home because they aren't a fire and brimstone southern baptist anymore. Non-Christians often feel ostracised and un-patriotic, just because they don't follow Christianity. It's a sad state of affairs - and to be honest, the founding fathers would be turning in their graves if they saw what the Bush and the religious right were doing to the constitution right now. It all ties back into the censorship issue – it's the religious conservatives imposing their theological views on everyone else.

Rant over.

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well you guys are constantly saying "dont force your morality on us"

well all I will say is " dont force your immorality on us"

more thant 65 percent of americans are christians 75 percent think the current fcc standards ARE NOT STRICT ENOUGHT...

now in this nation there is freedom of speech but there is also anti slander anti profanity and respect of majority laws..

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