"A photo from TV shows naked prisoners positioned in a human pyramid. Photo: Sky News"

Somebody just airbused out the twister board. They've just had a few too many drinks and it's gone too far.

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Well, it's a good thing the US is taking pro-active approaches towards eliminating this type of behaviour.

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a female brigadier general? wow...i never would've though she would be the one overseeing this debacle

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I have many friends in the military, both active and reserve. I know from what they've told me that actions like this are the fastest way to get your ass sent to prison. You're taught to follow the rules, and in the US military, torture is not the rule. Those who do stuff like this likely had discipline problems to being with, had their own personal moral failings, or had a shitty commanding officer who didn't properly follow his own superior orders to instruct his men on law in combat.

I can't see this being a widespread problem, but unfortunately it reflects poorly on everyone.

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 a female brigadier general? wow...i never would've though she would be the one overseeing this debacle

And another thing that I've also been told is that female COs are far harder on others than the men. They're all out to prove themselves to the male officers, that they can do the job, so they really push themselves and those under their command.

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Gah - stupid database crash.

Some English soldiers have been caught doing exactly the same thing: http://theage.com.au/articles/2004/...3224646923.html

Again - what the hell were they thinking?

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I have to say though, I find it pretty amusing that Arabs are outraged over this... Considering they've had no problem with other Arabs and Muslims videotaping the beheading of Daniel Pearl, shooting Fabrizio Quattrocchi, cutting the throats of russian soldiers, etc etc etc it's rather strange for them to suddenly acquire a sense of modesty...

Dead babies in Fallujah, mildly upsetting... photos of a white woman pointing at an arab's penis and fake blows jobs, OUTRAGEOUS...

humans never cease to amaze me...

Well, at least it's no longer Saddam's troops who are torturing people.

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Originally posted by mps242 I have to say though, I find it pretty amusing that Arabs are outraged over this... Considering they've had no problem with other Arabs and Muslims videotaping the beheading of Daniel Pearl, shooting Fabrizio Quattrocchi, cutting the throats of russian soldiers, etc etc etc it's rather strange for them to suddenly acquire a sense of modesty... Dead babies in Fallujah, mildly upsetting... photos of a white woman pointing at an arab's penis and fake blows jobs, OUTRAGEOUS... humans never cease to amaze me...

meh, this are the liberators who are torturing... the ones who state they took away someone from power, partly because he did things like this...

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Originally posted by St_Andrew meh, this are the liberators who are torturing... the ones who state they took away someone from power, partly because he did things like this...

There is a difference though, the coalition leaders have universally condemned this behaviour, and is taking action to punish those involved. Saddam did the exact opposite. Don't get me wrong, I did not support the invasion of Iraq, but drawing parallels between the two is fraught with danger.

I agree that there is a certain sense of irony about the entire thing - but irrespective of that, it's still not a good idea to compare this to the stuff that happened under Saddam.

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I'm getting to the point where I'm not sure what to make of this. I smell shinanigans. Either way, somebody has some explaining to do.

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Doubt cast on Iraq torture photos Sources close to the army have questioned the authenticity of photographs appearing to show British soldiers torturing an Iraqi prisoner. An investigation has begun into claims British troops assaulted the prisoner before throwing him from a lorry. The claims were made in the Daily Mirror which carried photos allegedly taken during the man's ordeal. Tony Blair says that if the photos are authentic this is "completely and totally unacceptable". The pictures show a hooded man being urinated on, a boot placed on his head, and a rifle butt in his groin. However the BBC's defence correspondent Paul Adams says sources close to The Queen's Lancashire Regiment believe many aspects of the photographs are suspicious. He says they believe the pictures may not have even been taken in Iraq. They believe the rifle is an SA80 mk 1 - which was not issued to troops in Iraq. They say soldiers in Iraq wore berets or hard hats - and not floppy hats as in the photos. They also believe the wrong type of Bedford truck is shown in the background - a type never deployed in Iraq. Colonel Bob Stewart, who commanded British forces in the Balkans, told BBC News Online he could not be sure whether the photos were genuine or not. There is no place in our regiment for individuals capable of such appalling and sickening behaviour The Queen's Lancashire Regiment As well as questions over the rifle, vehicle and hat, he also pointed out that there were discrepancies over clothing and the condition of the captive. "The shirt looks like a football shirt. Is that the sort of shirt that a captive might be wearing, slightly silky with an Iraqi flag? "Why is it not dirty and dishevelled, why is the man not showing some signs of damage after eight hours of beatings? "Why would the soldiers be wearing webbing that is undone? Normally soldiers are very particular about that." But Colonel Stewart said whether the photos were proven to be real or fake the damage done to Iraqi and Arab opinion was "like a cork out of a bottle", acting as a recruiting sergeant for the insurgents. "What happens to the next British soldier who is taken hostage?" 'Terrible' allegations He said if it was real, those behind the captive's ordeal, or fake, those responsible for mocking it up, were responsible for extra casualties and deaths. Foreign Secretary Jack Straw told the BBC's Breakfast with Frost programme: "There is a very high-level investigation taking place. The allegations are terrible." But he refused to be drawn on what compensation any victims of maltreatment would be offered, or on the outcome of the inquiry. "Of course it follows we will accept whatever obligations there are upon us." Tony Blair has said if there had been any abuse it was "exceptional", and should not detract from the good work being done by UK armed forces in Iraq. However he stressed if the photos were genuine it was totally unacceptable. "We went to Iraq to get rid of that sort of thing, not to do it," he added. The Mirror says the pictures were handed over by British soldiers from The Queen's Lancashire Regiment who claimed a rogue element in the army was responsible for abusing prisoners and civilians. The soldiers allege the unnamed captive was threatened with execution and had his jaw broken during his eight-hour ordeal. The reason for making the photos public was, the soldiers said, to show why the US-UK coalition was encountering such resistance in Iraq. Army spokesman Roger Goodwin, on behalf of The Queen's Lancashire Regiment, said there was "clearly some form of link to the regiment". "But the precise form of that link, including whether the soldiers involved in the alleged atrocities were members of the QLR, needs to be established. He added: "There is no place in our regiment for individuals capable of such appalling and sickening behaviour."

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Originally posted by arctic There is a difference though, the coalition leaders have universally condemned this behaviour, and is taking action to punish those involved. Saddam did the exact opposite. Don't get me wrong, I did not support the invasion of Iraq, but drawing parallels between the two is fraught with danger. I agree that there is a certain sense of irony about the entire thing - but irrespective of that, it's still not a good idea to compare this to the stuff that happened under Saddam.

yeah you are right. but as mps242 stated, that it was "amusing that Arabs are outraged over this", i don't find it amusing at all, i fully understand them.