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imokruok
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Rupert Murdoch Warns About European Muslims, EU, Saudis

I don't think Rupert is too far off with the issues that he presents. It's clear that Muslim immigration is a growing issue across much of Europe, and in some areas, it's a major issue. The Dutch are already directly addressing immigration concerns, as well as the Danes and others. The popularity of Pim Fortuyn goes to show how a strong single issue can mean a lot to people.

I spent a few months living in Paris, and from what I saw in my short time there, this speech was not too far off base. There is a sizeable and growing muslim population in France, and it's not integrating into society as the muslim population has (for the most part) in the US. As much as I dislike the French for their behavior sometimes, I do worry that in the future, their western ideals will be threatened by a population that is not integrated, and wields considerable political (i.e. voting) power.

Sorry for the Newsmax source on this - it was the only place I could find that covered the speech.

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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/.../28/95110.shtml

Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:47 a.m. EDT
Murdoch Warns About European Muslims, EU, Saudis

Media mogul Rupert Murdoch let his hair down during a business conference in Los Angeles this past weekend, warning of rough times ahead.

"There is going to be real trouble coming in Europe, I think," Murdoch said, noting the large Muslim communities living in France.

Calling his observations random thoughts, Murdoch told the Milken Institute's annual three-day Global Conference at the Beverly Hilton Hotel about his fears.

He sees terrorist breeding grounds in France, offered a blunt critique of the European Union, and voiced fears about Saudi Arabia and China, according to Australia's Financial Review.

The topic of discussion was "Creating Prosperity and Stability Amid Ever-Accelerating Change."

Despite the ranking of his co-speakers, including Gary Becker, Nobel Laureate, Economic Sciences; Thomas Hughes, Deutsche Bank's global head of asset management; Sharon Allen, chairman of Deloitte's U.S. board of directors; and Jami Miscik, the CIA's deputy director of intelligence, Murdoch's views held center stage.

With his audience spellbound, Murdoch warned that he believes Europe, particularly France, has failed to properly assimilate large Muslim immigrant populations from Northern Africa and the Middle East, all of which makes Europe more vulnerable to another terrorist attack than the the U.S. is.

Among his other concerns:

"The Muslim populations in France and Germany are much bigger proportionately to what they are in this country [the U.S.] and they have made a very bad job of assimilating them. "The U.S.," he said, has done a "pretty good job of assimilating" its Muslim population and only has "pockets of trouble here and there."

"They [Europe] have major centers of problems that are just boiling up. Paris is surrounded by vast blocks of tens of thousands of apartments - all Muslim, all no-go areas for police and totally lawless. There is more danger of terrorist attacks coming than what we have here," he said.

The European Union has "no political leadership with the will to change." "You have this awful French socialist bureaucracy stuck in Brussels, which is deterring investment in Europe, which is over-regulating every business and everybody."

The outlook for Saudi Arabia is glum, he said, and is casting a dark cloud on the horizon for the world's economy. "I think the most outstanding thing to worry about, if we are talking about urgency, is in the Middle East and it is with Saudi Arabia.
"Saudi Arabia is really the swing. If there was a revolution there it would happen overnight and you might see oil go from $40 to $80 or $90 [a barrel] and that wouldn't simply affect us. It would bring China and Japan and all those countries into a pretty terrible state."

Despite its problems, China is the one bright spot he saw, adding that "the worries that I see that we don't know are the danger of Chinese continuity. I operate a business there."
"We see all of this wonderful expansion around us, but the fact is, it is still a centrally planned economy and historically, centrally planned economies, particularly of that size, do become unmanageable. I'm not pessimistic about it.

"I think they do a pretty brilliant job, but we have to face the facts it is one of the uncertainties. I'm optimistic, at least in the short term, hopefully in the long term, about the Chinese economy."


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AnotherWay83
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i agree. i remember reading an article in Vanity Fair recently about the terrible plight of muslim women in france, it's really sad. but i think the french are equally responsible for not playing a more active role in assimilating immigrants. the article mentioned how the government had deliberately set up cheap housing away from Paris because they wanted to keep the immigrants away...or something like that...sorry i don't remember, but it was kinda planned...that was the gist anyway...guess it backfired. i should dig up that article again.

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I think I know the article you're talking about, but can't find it online. Here's another one that's similar, and explains a lot about the housing issue, how huge housing projects were built to house immigrants and keep them separated, but now they're "outgrowing" their space.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/12...barbarians.html


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Rupert Murdoch? RUPERT MURDOCH??

Yea, lets listen what he has to say.


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Rupert Murdoch? RUPERT MURDOCH??

Yea, lets listen what he has to say.


lol, yeah. he may not be the best person to listen to, but thats really not the point, because the issue has been brewing for sometime now, and has been cited by many others as well.

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Rupert Murdoch is a tool. Unfortunately some of his remarks do ring true. I must be watching too much Fox News

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Re: Rupert Murdoch Warns About European Muslims, EU, Saudis

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Originally posted by imokruok
I don't think Rupert is too far off with the issues that he presents. It's clear that Muslim immigration is a growing issue across much of Europe, and in some areas, it's a major issue. The Dutch are already directly addressing immigration concerns, as well as the Danes and others. The popularity of Pim Fortuyn goes to show how a strong single issue can mean a lot to people.

I spent a few months living in Paris, and from what I saw in my short time there, this speech was not too far off base. There is a sizeable and growing muslim population in France, and it's not integrating into society as the muslim population has (for the most part) in the US. As much as I dislike the French for their behavior sometimes, I do worry that in the future, their western ideals will be threatened by a population that is not integrated, and wields considerable political (i.e. voting) power.

Sorry for the Newsmax source on this - it was the only place I could find that covered the speech.


Ooh you mean Multicultaralism isn't the answer

In all seriousness however I am intrigued to see how the E.U. develops and the social issues over integration, jobs, cultures all will workout. Thank goodness I am in the U.S.A. all we have to do is get rid of G.W. Shrub.


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I think if you look at the downfall of societies throughout history many have roots in their steady loss of central cultural identity. When a group of people can no longer identify themselves, or choose to identify themselves as "one," you have the basis for cultural and societal anarchy. The new ideas, beliefs and customs of a new cultural segment are important to maintain the vitality of a people, but only when those new practices are blended with the existing ones. I believe that America, especially in its infancy did a wonderful job of this. The American cuisine is multinational and we celebrate holidays ranging from the Cinco de Mayo to St. Patrick’s Day.

I think at the heart of the issue is a common language. When one member of a nation is no longer able to express even the most basic ideas to another member of the same nation, I believe you lose that sense of comradery that is vital to "good" patriotism and “brotherhood” that is vital to the continuation of a unified nation. Unfortunately this idea of a common language has become lost in many countries in the name of cultural diversity. Call it prejudice, but when I see an immigrant who I am unable to communicate with an any level, I find it hard to consider them a true fellow countryman.

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"The Muslim populations in France and Germany are much bigger proportionately to what they are in this country [the U.S.] and they have made a very bad job of assimilating them. "The U.S.," he said, has done a "pretty good job of assimilating" its Muslim population and only has "pockets of trouble here and there."

"They [Europe] have major centers of problems that are just boiling up. Paris is surrounded by vast blocks of tens of thousands of apartments - all Muslim, all no-go areas for police and totally lawless. There is more danger of terrorist attacks coming than what we have here," he said.


Muslim-related terrorist attacks in French soil: none

Muslim-related terrorist attacks in US soil: the biggest terrorist attack in history

Muslim-related terrorist attacks in French interests around the world: none? (don't really know)

Muslim etc etc in US interests around the world: countless


I guess that sums it up.


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quote:
Originally posted by borron
Muslim-related terrorist attacks in French soil: none

Muslim-related terrorist attacks in US soil: the biggest terrorist attack in history

Muslim-related terrorist attacks in French interests around the world: none? (don't really know)

Muslim etc etc in US interests around the world: countless


I guess that sums it up.



Heh, guess somebody forgot about a little small thing I like to call French colonialsim.

When I say the word "Algeria" does anything register with you?


Or were you just talking about the last week?


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quote:
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Heh, guess somebody forgot about a little small thing I like to call French colonialsim.

When I say the word "Algeria" does anything register with you?


Or were you just talking about the last week?


How easily the human mind forgets the details it wants to. The Pied-Noire en L'Algerie were certainly friendly folks right borron. What a very good relationship they had with the native Algeriansbut guess that doesn't matter after all it was decades ago, right.


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How easily the human mind forgets the details it wants to. The Pied-Noire en L'Algerie were certainly friendly folks right borron. What a very good relationship they had with the native Algeriansbut guess that doesn't matter after all it was decades ago, right.


If you consider 2002 decades ago... Oh wait, that wasn't Algerians, that was Pakistanis...

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