i usually pretty much just phrase match when i mix, now its not that simple, but im basically saything the loops are matched up when the first beat of each loop starts... so my question is do many of you mix without having the records totally on phrase, and if so, do you usually do it an exrta 4/8 beats ahead or behind. im just asking USUALLY, not a definite all encomapsing yes/no answer. and one more thing, i would think if i were going to mix with the incoming record 4 beats behind the outgoing, i would guess i would have to KNOW (as in listen before hand and plan) that the incoming has a 4 count fill on the transition. do any of you do this or anything like this? does anyone understand me?

heh, thanks-

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Unity in Diversity-

Trance is frequently pretty unforgiving about not having the 32 beat phrases matched up, I could see this mattering less with other genres.

That said, you can sometimes get away with mixing in a track halfway through the phrase (i.e. 16 beats) without it sounding too bad.

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DJ Kibon



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DJ Kibon - August 2004

yea halfway can work sometimes. i don't really see why you wouldn't want to phrase a mix, unles you have some cool trixes up your sleeve.

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i mean some full phrases aren't even 32's but rather 16's... and if there was a difference you wouldn't even know.

If you are off by a count of four.. the mix will be a little screwey. Unless you are working with an outro consitinning of a simple bassline

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Breaks/Prog Mix 3-15-04

although its probably better with techno than other genres, it still sounds a bit shit if you put the track down 4 or 8 beats early, although when you get up to 16 beats sometimes it can have a really cool effect.. in my experience it is quite rare for it to sound amazing

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MUGGETS

ok so i spose none of you do, as i dont usually do it either... but, ive been disecting more and more sets from my cds, and a taucher set that i have, which sounds AMAZING, he does sometimes go off by 4 beats on the intro of the incoming track, which gives it quite a nice 'live' feel, like an additional fill a live band would do... but the additional 4 beats that he makes it off by its like the incoming track stops and does a fill of its own, i dunno. i was just wondering if anyone else has messed around with the idea. thanks for the replies-

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Unity in Diversity-

try it out and record it.


if it sounds like ass don't do it. If it sounds sweet, more power to ya