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MisterOpus1
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Hey hey - our Gov't defines French Fries as "fresh vegetables"

By golly there's just a whole lotta great news out tonight! This one just really got me thinkin' about Reagan. I mean, here we had an ex-President that defined ketchup as a vegetable, now we have our current Administration's USDA defining french fries as a "fresh vegetable"! By God I just KNEW our kids were eatin' healthy in our schools! Seriously, that's just two servings of veggies right there! Yee haw!

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Calling fries fresh veggies half-baked, critics argue

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By Andrew Martin Washington Bureau

French fries may be the bane of low-carb diets and obesity foes, but the U.S. Department of Agriculture (news - web sites) and a federal judge in Texas have another name for the popular food: fresh vegetable.

U.S. District Judge Richard Schell last week endorsed little-noticed changes by the USDA to federal regulations that govern what defines a fresh vegetable. The changes were made at the behest of the french-fry industry, which has spent the past five decades pushing for revisions to the Perishable Agricultural Commodities Act.


Known as PACA, the law was passed by Congress in 1930 to protect fruit and vegetable farmers in the event that their customers went out of business without paying for their produce.


Under an obscure USDA rule, most frozen french fries have been considered fresh vegetables since 1996. Now they all are, under a revision last year that added batter-coated, frozen french fries to the list of fresh produce.


In his ruling last week in a lawsuit that challenged the designation, Schell sided with the USDA argument that the PACA law is so ambiguous on the definition of fresh fruits and vegetables that it should be left to the agency to define what it means.


The Frozen Potato Products Institute appealed to the USDA in 2000 to change its definition of fresh produce under the law to include batter-coated, frozen french fries, arguing that rolling potato slices in a starch coating, frying them and freezing them is the equivalent of waxing a cucumber or sweetening a strawberry.


The USDA agreed and, on June 2, 2003, amended its PACA rules to include what is described in court documents as the "Batter-Coating Rule."


Tim Elliott, a Chicago attorney who recently challenged the revision in a Texas federal courtroom on behalf of a bankrupt food distributor, said defining french fries as fresh vegetables defies common sense.


"I find it pretty outrageous, really," said Elliott, who argues that the Batter-Coating Rule is so vague that chocolate-covered cherries, packed in a candy box, would qualify as fresh fruit.


"This is something that only lawyers could do," he said, pointing to a stack of legal documents debating the french-fry rule change.


"There must be 100 pages there about something you could summarize in one paragraph: batter-coated french fries are not fresh vegetables."


Among the documents cited in the lawsuit is a patent from french-fry maker Lamb Weston on how to make batter-coated fries, including direction that the potatoes be coated with an "aqueous starch enrobing slurry."


"Fresh vegetables are not typically associated with `aqueous starch enrobing slurries,'" Elliott wrote in court documents.


However, in a ruling released last week, Schell sided with the USDA.


"PACA does not define the term `fresh vegetables,'" the judge wrote.


"Instead, PACA ambiguously states that `fresh fruits and vegetables of every kind and character' are perishable agriculture commodities."


The french-fry rule calls to mind the USDA's attempt in 1981 to classify ketchup and pickle relish as vegetables, an idea that was dropped amid public protests.


The latest revision was made last year at a time when the reputation of french fries had been under siege.

Loaded with fat and carbohydrates, french fries have been targeted by low-carb diet plans as a snack to avoid and blamed for contributing to America's expanding waistline.

About the same time, the USDA launched a revision of its Food Guide Pyramid for the first time since it was unveiled in 1992. While the final nutrition guidelines will not be released until early next year, USDA officials already have said they plan to emphasize that Americans should eat more fruits and vegetables.

But John Webster, spokesman for the agency's Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion, said french fries--though already considered a vegetable serving in the Food Guide Pyramid--are not what his agency has in mind.

"The vegetables we are talking about encouraging the consumption of are dark green vegetables like broccoli and orange and yellow vegetables like squash," he said.

The USDA officials who oversee the PACA said french fries were considered a fresh vegetable because the statute only defined fruits and vegetables in two ways: fresh or processed.

"They fall into the category of fresh because they are not processed," said agency spokesman George Chartier. "They are not transformed in the sense of being cooked."

Though a USDA news release announcing the revision says caramel-coated apples also will be considered fresh fruit under the Batter-Coating Rule, officials say the gooey treats would not be included because coating it changes the character of the fruit and makes it a candy.

Frying and battering potato strips, however, does not change the character of a potato, they argued.

Meir Stampfer, a professor of nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health, said it "boggles the mind" that the USDA would label french fries a fresh vegetable because most commercial fries are fried in oil laden with heart-clogging trans fat.

Stampfer said the revision reaffirms his belief that nutritional advice should be moved out of the USDA to an agency specifically concerned with public health, an idea that is being promoted by several members of Congress.

While lumping french fries and fresh vegetables in the same sentence might horrify some nutritionists, the changes had more to do with money than healthy eating.

Under PACA, producers of fresh and frozen fruits and vegetables essentially are guaranteed payment for their produce, even if a grocery store, wholesaler or restaurant chain files for bankruptcy.

The implications of the change are potentially huge for the french-fry industry, which includes such food giants as J.R. Simplot, Lamb Weston and Ore-Ida.

Potatoes are the largest-selling vegetable in the U.S. The average American eats more than 140 pounds of potatoes a year, about one-third of which is frozen french fries.

About a quarter of all french fries produced are coated with batter, a process that helps preserve the fries' crispness and color while under heat lamps.

How batter-coated fries came to be defined as a fresh vegetable has to do with the language in the original law, which gave the USDA discretion to define "fresh fruits and vegetables of every kind and character."

Since then, the USDA has ruled that produce that is frozen or packed in ice qualifies for PACA protections. So do fruits and vegetables that have been steamed, blanched, gassed, colored, cured, peeled and waxed, among other things, as long as the produce has not been "manufactured into articles of a different kind of character."

USDA officials had ruled previously that french fries were not covered by PACA because they were cooked or processed. But industry perseverance paid off in 1996, when USDA ruled produce that is "oil blanched" would be covered.

In 2000, the Frozen Potato Products Institute obtained an advisory opinion from the USDA saying that batter-coated french fries, given their increasing popularity, should be considered fresh vegetables too. At the potato institute's urging, the USDA made its opinion an official regulation last year.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...kedcriticsargue


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its like that sonic's (a McD like chain) commerical's they have down here intoducing their new salads:

"I don't know what your talking about, they've alway's had salads here. Last time I was here I orded a beef salad. It cames with a side of buns and everything. It was real good".



I guess they served their beef salad with a side of buns and "vegetables". eh?


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No wonder we are so fat!

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Yeah but the thing is defining something as fresh veg doesn't instantly make it healthy. And just because something is frozen doesn't mean it's not fresh (i.e. peas). The batter coating is a process as is quick freezing.

So as stupid as it seems it is kinda right, atleast legally.

Obviously it is stupid but it's the price you pay for having laws. They lead to lawyers and that leads to this kinda shit.

Worst offeneders are actually patent laywers thouse bastards can make black seem white and white seem black.


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Batter-coated french fries now a fresh vegetable on USDA list
WASHINGTON (AP)


Batter-coated french fries are a fresh vegetable, according to the Agriculture Department, which has a federal judge's ruling to back it up.

But the department said Tuesday that the classification applies only to rules of commerce, not nutrition, and it doesn't consider an order of fries the same as an apple in school lunches.

The ruling last week by federal District Judge Richard Schell in Beaumont, Texas, allowed batter-coated french fries to be considered fresh vegetables under the Perishable Agricultural Commodities Act. Most other frozen fries had been on the list since 1996.

Regulations under the law help to assure buyers of commodities such as french fries that they are getting what they ordered, said George Chartier, a spokesman for the department's Agricultural Marketing Service. Frozen fries are fresh simply because they don't meet the standard necessary for them to be listed as processed, and adding batter to the fries does not change the classification, he said.

The commodities act does not apply to nutrition, where batter-coated french fries are still considered processed food.

The department does not plan to repeat its experience in trying to classify ketchup as a vegetable in school lunches, Chartier said. The ketchup-as-vegetable proposal was put forward in the Reagan administration, and the department dropped the idea after it found itself not only opposed but laughed at.

The department's proposal to list batter-coated fries as fresh under the commodities act provisions was challenged by a Dallas-area food distributor, Fleming Companies. The company is in Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization, and the law requires creditors who sold fresh fruits and vegetables to be paid in full, while other creditors might get partial payment, said Fleming Companies' lawyer, Tim Elliott of Chicago.

Fleming Companies plans to appeal, Elliott said. The law was intended to protect growers of fruits and vegetables, especially small farmers, and the ruling misconstrues the act's intent, he said.

"It's unfathomable to me that, when Congress passed this law in 1930 and used the term 'fresh vegetable,' they ever could have conceived that large food-processing companies could have convinced USDA that a frozen battered french fry fell into that definition," Elliott said.

Although Fleming Companies sold the fries to supermarkets, most are eaten in fast food restaurants, Elliott said. The coating makes the fry crunchy and adds flavor, he said.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...es_x.htm?csp=23


Heh funny story at first glance, but fails to qualify as an item for controversey or criticism under closer scrutiny.


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Heh funny story at first glance, but fails to qualify as an item for controversey or criticism under closer scrutiny.


You know what, fuck you. Sometimes it is best to just attack with vehemence something without examining the little details, did you ever think of that?!

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You know what, fuck you. Sometimes it is best to just attack with vehemence something without examining the little details, did you ever think of that?!


Hey, I was on vacation for a week. Anything could have flied then! You guys had your chance!


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