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| quote: | Originally posted by gwrmarines
I'm not going to see that shit. Michael Moore is a tree hugger. |
Yes, that's right -- anyone who isn't on the far right must be a tree hugger! 
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
Tree Hugger, you mean asshole |
Ad hominems really don't help your case you know.
What on earth are you talking about?
| quote: | | liar who completely changes the facts to suit his own purpose. |
It's fairly obvious that his films and books are la type of op-ed piece, it's called presenting a point of view. As for how it's possible to 'change the facts', care to explain how one would go about doing that?
| quote: | | Michael Moore seems to take on anyone in his films, yet does not do interviews without getting the questions beforehand |
Do you have any evidence to back that up?
| quote: | | and he declined to take on his biggest critic, one of the guys who runs one of the anti moore sites |
Actually, him doing that is perfectly understandable. Most of the anti-Moore sites are run by far-right nutters who spend most of their time launching personal attacks against Moore himself, rather than actually critiquing his books and films. When they do attempt to critique his books or films, they tend to end up doing the exact thing they happily accuse him of -- distort or misrepresent the facts.
| quote: | | love to see that debate, Moore would get his ass handed to him. |
Not to nit-pick, but unless you're clairvoyant, there isn't really any way to know how it would turn out.
| quote: | | I will never buy a moore book nor see a moore movie |
And here we have it -- TTA, you're behaving in an absurd fashion here. You're 'critiquing his films and books', launching personal attacks against him -- and you haven't even seen or read any of them.
This is unbelievable.
| quote: | | what to see the kind of crap that this liar is allowed to try to present as fact. |
If you've never watched any of his films or read his books, then how on earth would you know that he's a liar?
| quote: | | Joseph Goebbels said it best, you tell a lie long enough, the public will eventually believe it. |
And which lie in particular are you referring to here?
| quote: | | I don't care what your political view of the US presidency is, hate bush, hate kerry or love either of them |
Personally I don't hate either, but I wouldn't vote for Bush if my life depended on it. Kerry isn't particularly crash hot either, but hey -- ABB for me.
| quote: | | frankly I can't stand either of them |
Heh, understandable -- they're both politicians afterall. 
| quote: | | but making up crap should get you sued |
You're a young earth creationist, right? I take it that you don't have any issue with me suing you then? 
| quote: | | not hiding behind the lame free speech protection. |
Hold on, you originally accused him of distorting the facts
Now, with that out of the way -- I should make it known that I don't agree with all of Moore's conclusions (Indeed, in BFC he tends to ask questions rather than driving home a particular resolution to the gun issue), but the facts in Fahrenheit 911 are all on the record. A couple of them will invariably turn out to be off the mark, but the vast majority are effectively irrefutable.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911facts/
http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/
The above two links contain transcripts of what Moore says in the movie, with links to the sources used to obtain the information. If you'd like to critique the film, then cite something from the above site -- and refute it, but don't go around lambasting him for lying when you've never seen any of his films.
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