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Read This! Catholic views on some political issues

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What does it really mean to be "pro-life"?

Being "pro-life" means you uphold the sanctity (sacredness) of human life and the dignity of each human person from conception to death.

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Why are most people against abortion in favor of the death penalty?

This question is a genalization. I wouldn't use the word "most." Though, I think there are many people who are against abortion and favor of the death penalty. Why? Because they believe that abortion is harming an innocent human person while the death penalty only hurts the people who "deserve it." This is wrongful thinking of any person who may consider themselves a Christian for it eliminates God's saving action in the guilty person's life while they are in prison. No one has the right to take away another's life. They pre-empt God by doing this.

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Do "pro-life" advocates support war?

It is possible for a "pro-life" advocate to support a "just war." The war
against the Taliban in Afgahnastan may have been a just war in part. The war
in Iraq these past few years would not be classified as a just war. A "just
war" typically has the assumption that you are under attack and must defend
yourself. You also must use proportial means to retaliate (nuclear bomb is not
proportional) to the wrong done to you. You must do everything in your means
to not harm innocent civilians. Look up "Just War Theory" on the Web. The
Catholic Church is the origin of it.

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Why has the church had a long history of keeping quiet during major genocides
(i.e. the Halocaust)?

If the questioner looks at the past 30-40 years of history and researches all
the genocidal wars (or any war for that matter) they would find the Church
speaking harshly against all violent aggression. This would be from both the
Vatican and the U.S. Catholic Bishops. The Church did speak against the
Halocaust. At times it was silent, I know, but if you did more research you
would find that the Church spoke against it. You would also find many
Catholics, including priests and bishops, who gave their lives for the Jewish
people. Case in point is Maximillion Kolbe.

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Why does it not support safe sex to prevent the spread of AIDS? Or birth
control to prevent unwanted pregnancies?

First, if you are not married the Church assumes you are not having sex. If
you are having sex outside of marriage you probably don't care what the church
teaches anyway. A person who has AIDS and has sex puts another person's life
at grave risk. It is very unethical for a person who knowingly has AIDS to
have sex with a person who doesn't know it. It says that you are willing to
put a person a great harm for your own personal satisfaction. If a person who
has AIDS is married, then it is a greater good for them to use protective
methods during sexual intercourse than to risk the other person contracting
AIDS.

Using artificial contraceptives by married people reduces their ability to
completely share their love with one another. Why? Because all love is
life-giving. All love comes from God and in order for it to become perfected
inside of you, you must give it away. By nature the act of intercourse is a
physical expression of love for another. In its perfect state, it produces
life (baby). To block this is to inhibit you and your spouse's perfect love.

If you are having sex outside of marriage, you aren't expressing your perfect
love because you have no interest in having the love between two committed
people being blessed by the community. Love shared between two people in such
an intimate way (like sex) must be life-giving to the community. Typically
this kind of relationship is hidden and secret which is never a sign of God's
love. Sex between married people is assumed and is life-giving to the
community in ways beyond the physical relationship of the couple. Sex between
unmarried people is never life-giving to the community because it is about a
love that the unmarried couple has no interest in sharing with the community
thus blocking the very nature of love itself.

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Does this have anything to do with increasing the numbers of Catholics on the
planet, thereby increasing the funds of a VERY WEALTHY Catholic church?

This question has some antagonistic presuppositions behind it. An intellectual
conversation that upholds the dignity of a person is difficult when someone
speaks like this. However I will try to answer it anyway.

No, it is not a way to increase the number of Catholics. The Church would love
to see all peoples on this planet to practice the birth-control teachings. It
is not concerned about the number of Catholic vs. the number of any other
religion.

As far as the "very wealthy" term goes, prove it. The wealth is in the ancient
buildings which are historic. Anyone who would buy such a building would not
destroy it either. Some of them are museums in their own right. The property
owned by the Church is for the use of the community. If it was given away,
they community would have no place to gather, to educate, to serve the poor.
Most churches and dioceses are barely squeaking out a balance budget year to
year. It has been said that their is so much volunteer time of service by
church members that if the number of paid positions of the US Federal
Government were run like the Catholic Church, then it would have about 50
employees.

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How about the disempowering of women? Do Catholics believe the VATICAN speaks
for GOD?

The Church believes that all baptized people are called to be prophetic, thus
speaking for God. If the Church does not speak for God, if the baptized,
faithful people don't speak for God, then does God not speak at all? I think
the community assumes with great wisdom that God speaks through the Church. If
it doesn't, then the Church as an organization is pointless.

When you ask about the "disempowering of women" I'm not quite sure what you
mean. It's quite a generalized question. More than 85% of ministry positions
in the US Catholic Church are filled by women. If you talk athority, i.e.
priests and bishops, it might be comforting to know that this point about
women in the clergy is being debated by church scholars, historians, and
theologians. Change in the Church takes many, many years because it crosses
over all cultures and peoples. One day, maybe women will be in positions of
athority. The church can change in this way. It may be past our lifetime,
though.

These are not necessarily my views, just posting because people may find it interesting and informative.

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It looks like Catholics are coming home to roost.



http://www.beliefnet.com/story/154/story_15467_1.html



A Big Catholic Shift to Kerry?
Two new polls show a sudden movement of undecided Catholics toward Kerry.


Two new polls show a massive shift of white Catholics to John Kerry--which, if it holds up, could be a decisive development in the election.

A Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday has Kerry winning among white Catholics 50%-43%--a huge change from the October 3 poll which had Bush leading 49% to 33%.

By comparison, George Bush beat Al Gore among white Catholics by about seven points.
An October 14 ABC News poll showed a similar dramatic shift.

Kerry's favorable vs. unfavorable rating among white Catholics before the debates was 36% vs. 50%. After the debate: 50% vs. 41%. Kerry improved across the board, but the shift was more stark for white Catholics than just about any other group the poll measured. (By comparison, his standing among women improved from 41% favorable vs. 42% unfavorable up to 53% vs. 38% after the debate.)

Catholics represent about one in four voters and, more important, are disproportionately found in key battleground states like Pennsylvania (30%), New Jersey (45.9%), Ohio (28%), Michigan (28%), Wisconsin (34.4), Minnesota (28.7%), and New Hampshire (38.2%).

Until now, there has been no evidence at all that Kerry's being Catholic has helped him with this group. In fact, Bush's conservative views on abortion and gay marriage had him performing better against Kerry than he had even against Gore.

In both cases, the improvement seemed to come from undecided Catholics choosing Kerry, not Bush Catholics switching.

Neither poll teases out the causes for this, but in both cases the shift happened after the second and third presidential debates. It was in the third debate that Kerry had his most expansive declaration of his personal faith.

Another possible explanation is that the criticisms of Kerry by conservative Catholic bishops have backfired. The question in the third debate that prompted Kerry's response was about the charge from Bishop Charles J. Chaput of Colorado that voting for Kerry was a "sin" because he is pro-choice on abortion.

"I respect their views," Kerry said. "I completely respect their views. I am a Catholic. And I grew up learning how to respect those views. But I disagree with them, as do many."

A narrow majority of Catholics are pro-choice on abortion and may take it personally when Kerry is told that he's a bad Catholic because he's pro-choice.

One other piece of circumstantial evidence that Kerry's improvement may have been a backlash effect: The last time there was a move among white Catholics toward Kerry in the polls was in May. At the beginning of that month, Bush led among Catholic registered voters 51% to 45%. By the end of the month, Kerry led 51% to 44%--even though Bush's ratings were going up. May was also when there was the most press coverage of the conservative bishops' move to deny communion to Kerry.

"It may be most American Catholics have made up their minds that they can be good Catholics and disagree with the church on several issues, particularly sexuality," says Michele Dillon, associate professor of sociology of religion at University of New Hampshire. "Most Catholics, regardless of their political views, don't like to be told what to do. The bishops may be seen as too aggressive."

The third debate may also have helped Kerry among white Catholics simply because he was prompted to connect his Catholic faith to something positive. "My faith affects everything that I do, in truth. There's a great passage of the Bible that says, 'What does it mean, my brother, to say you have faith if there are no deeds? Faith without works is dead'.... That's why I fight against poverty. That's why I fight to clean up the environment and protect this earth. That's why I fight for equality and justice. All of those things come out of that fundamental teaching and belief of faith. But I know this, that President Kennedy in his inaugural address told all of us that here on Earth, God's work must truly be our own. And that's what we have to--I think that's the test of public service."

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