Hi dudes,


Just a question: how do i mix one track into another where the melody begins without a beat...??

Nice example is Push - Universal Nation, where u first hear the melody and after a few secs the beat... How can i mix thiz right considering the beatmatching?


gReetz

Have both records at the same tempo...then start 'universal nation' at the start of one of the playing record's phrases of beats...hope that you pushed off at the right time. Thats really the only way I think.

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Originally posted by tranceDJ Have both records at the same tempo...then start 'universal nation' at the start of one of the playing record's phrases of beats...hope that you pushed off at the right time. Thats really the only way I think.

Agree But the tracks could be a little bit of beat. You can only tell that when "Universal nation" beats come in, but it's too late, cuz every one will now then.

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You're probably going to want to cue the track when the beat comes in and make sure the phrases are properly matched.

You need to work on your ability to count in proper time without a kick. It takes a lot of practice. The ability to know the beat and match phrases like this is an important tool in a good DJ's toolbox.

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Once you get good, you don't need a beat to beatmatch, you can just hear the rhythm and go off that, also the way most music is made up of which are bars and measure makes the music predictable, this way when that breakdown comes and you want something to happen with the track your bringing in, you can time it, lets say that Push tracks breakdown is 64 bars long, and the track your gonna drop has something at 32 bars, and you want to have it that when Push kicks back in, the track your dropping also kicks in, well easy just drop it 32 bars in, they all vary, but they all work on things happening either 4/8/16/32/64/128.... bars later, this makes it predictable even with tracks you don't know, and even better with tracks you do know.

Well I hope this helps and that this was what your asking....I need sleep.

DannyO is right. Learn how to beatmatch without a kick. There are lots of other elements that can help you, like certain notes that are a bit louder, changes in the structure of the melody, etc...

And again: practice, practice,practice!

I also I agree. Just practice it. if you have some old classical records...try to mix those together. Eventually you'll get a feel for rhythm, and you'll be able to do that...the only way is to match the phrases. Even when you mix tracks with kicks...that shouldn't be what you use to match everything...just because the kicks match doesn't mean the songs do. Try this...when your mixing two songs with kicks, cue up the record for the first beat that has some kind of a melody (bass lines, arpeggios, etc.). Then your going to wait on the next record...wait until the melody is over and then loops...once it starts again, release the record. Sometimes matching phrases can be that easy. And of course knowing a pinch of music theory helps a lot too. Eventually you'll be able to mix the two songs without even listening to the kick....Just keep on practicing. Only experience will give you the edge.

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After alot of practice and jsut listening to music it comes naturaly and you will be able to beachmatch even to just vocals with some songs.

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If you're having trouble, practice by counting 1-2-3-4, 2-2-3-4, 3-2-3-4, 4-2-3-4, etc. during your set. Notice how song elements come in multiples of four.

One of the most important things I try to teach people is the ability to find the one count. I don't know how many times I've heard inexperienced DJs match the beat, but on different counts (which sounds like complete shit).

Once you are able to match up the one counts, start developing a feel for the phrases. I say "feel" because I think too many people take a scientific approach to phrase matching, where they focus too much on counting the measures and trying to remember numbers. With practice, you'll be able to recognize the length of musical phrases naturally, and you'll be able to feel the right moment to start your cued track.

Hope this helps!

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you def. should learn to mix without a kick drum. if i were you i would beatmatch it from the first kick drum, and when you have it set., go back to the very begining of the record and start from there. try to mix it in from the begining and you will hear the little things that make it able to mix w/o a kick....

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Originally posted by dartman you def. should learn to mix without a kick drum. if i were you i would beatmatch it from the first kick drum, and when you have it set., go back to the very begining of the record and start from there. try to mix it in from the begining and you will hear the little things that make it able to mix w/o a kick.... {smoke}

Right. Beatmatching with the kick drum is pretty essential, at least for me. However, once you have the cued track matched, you can go back and start the mix before the kick is there.

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