Well, I'm not quite sure why you included the US in your argument, but since you did, I might as well correct your statistics. The number of anti-Jewish hate crimes in the US in 2003 was actually 1,025 victims:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/03hc.pdf

Despite the fact that it's still more than the 96 Uk anti-Jewish hate crimes (not sure where you got that figure from either), non-US people seem quite fond of using population proportionality when utilizing statistics. As such, it might be relevevant to your argument that the number of UK jews numbers at 267,000:

http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/uk_jewish_faqs/

While the US Jewish population numbers at 6,155,000:

http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/uk_jewish_faqs/

Therefore, proportionally, there are over 2.16 times the number of racial anti-Jewish attacks in the UK. That being cleared up, continue with your argument.

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1,557 according to the Jerusalem Post

Either way, the United States is an anti-semitic country no? And even worse, at least the Europeans can blame it on the Muslim populations so as not to tar the vast majority of the population with the same brush. I saw a stat that said 9% of anti-semitism in Europe (or it may have been a particular country like the UK or France) were committed by non-Muslims. Now Muslims anti-semitism has its roots in the Arab-Israel conflict and the feelings go each way - anti-semitism from the Muslims and anti-Arabism from the Israelis - neither of which can be excused (altho both of which can be understood in a particular context).

On the other hand, how many anti-Semitic acts are carried out in America by Muslims (I believe the US has around 5 million Arab/Asian Muslims I think?) and how many are carried out by people more representative of your society as a whole (ie a majority section)? I would guess (unless you have sources to say otherwise) that a lot of these anti-Smeitic acts are carried out by your traditional KKK type people, which would imply that the US suffers from the more traditional anti-Semitism (ie the Nazi type, not the type with its roots in the Arab-Israel conflict) which IMO would make the US m a much more anti-semitic country than anywhere in Europe - Yet according to Jewish people and the Israelis, Europe is the problem and not one of them will ever make the same claims about America I WONDER WHY???

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Originally posted by occrider Well, I'm not quite sure why you included the US in your argument

Not really an argument just an absolute piss take out of this rediculous accusation that these posters are anti-Semitic which they clearly are not.

Just to reiterate, for our American friends with no grasp whatsoever of the concept of sarcasm....I do not think these posters are anti-semitic (and even Michael Howard has not made that claim, otherwise he'd be accused of PC gone mad!!! Ah...guess you have to be British to understand that one...oh well...)

Hm, kinda related to this issue, did anyone see those jews burning the german flag in front of Knesset when the german president held a speech there about holocaust? And those few right wingers who demonstratively left the parliament when he arrived?

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Hm, kinda related to this issue, did anyone see those jews burning the german flag in front of Knesset when the german president held a speech there about holocaust? And those few right wingers who demonstratively left the parliament when he arrived?

Well just goes to show that the Israelis/Jews are not immune from being outright racist too...

remember you can't criticise anyone (about anything) that happens to be jewish because its anti-semitism.

BTW one time I critiziced an amatuer dj because he screwed up on a transition. i guess that makes it an anti-semitic attack and me an anti-semite

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange remember you can't criticise anyone (about anything) that happens to be jewish because its anti-semitism. BTW one time I critiziced an amatuer dj because he screwed up on a transition. i guess that makes it an anti-semitic attack and me an anti-semite

oh c'mon. that ^^^ is anti-semitism.

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Originally posted by George Smiley 1,557 according to the Jerusalem Post

Ummm well since the FBI actually collates crime statistics and not the Jerusalem Post, I'm afraid I'm going to have to defer authority to the FBI unless you have a reasonable explanation as to why we shouldn't?

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Either way, the United States is an anti-semitic country no?

Every country is anti-semetic to a greater or lesser degree. What matters is what countries are doing to combat racial crimes, as opposed to blanket criticisms of those societies.

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And even worse, at least the Europeans can blame it on the Muslim populations so as not to tar the vast majority of the population with the same brush. I saw a stat that said 9% of anti-semitism in Europe (or it may have been a particular country like the UK or France) were committed by non-Muslims. Now Muslims anti-semitism has its roots in the Arab-Israel conflict and the feelings go each way - anti-semitism from the Muslims and anti-Arabism from the Israelis - neither of which can be excused (altho both of which can be understood in a particular context). On the other hand, how many anti-Semitic acts are carried out in America by Muslims (I believe the US has around 5 million Arab/Asian Muslims I think?) and how many are carried out by people more representative of your society as a whole (ie a majority section)? I would guess (unless you have sources to say otherwise) that a lot of these anti-Smeitic acts are carried out by your traditional KKK type people, which would imply that the US suffers from the more traditional anti-Semitism (ie the Nazi type, not the type with its roots in the Arab-Israel conflict) which IMO would make the US m a much more anti-semitic country than anywhere in Europe - Yet according to Jewish people and the Israelis, Europe is the problem and not one of them will ever make the same claims about America I WONDER WHY???

Haha so I guess European Muslims are not Europeans and are therefore not representative of European society??? Yup, we should redefine Europeans to singularly include white nordic/norman folk only. Yes, why that makes perfect sense. Much like black Americans are actually Africans and therefore any white against black crimes and vice-versa are merely anomalies that are hardly tools for criticism of "American" socitety as a whole. And of course Anti-Semiticism was non-existent in Europe prior to to the influx of its Muslim population despite history books which detail multiple centuries of abuse.

Quit the high and mighty "we are guilty of no wrongdoing compared to everyone else!!!" act and just accept the fact that Europe has a noticeable problem of anti-semiticism in as much as the US had a problem with racism in the latter 20th century and potentially a problem with anti-muslim culture today.

By the way ... no one claimed that the UK was the most anti-semetic country in the world so once again, there's no need to adopt an inferiority complex.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Well just goes to show that the Israelis/Jews are not immune from being outright racist too...

how so?

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Think the reason he brought up the "most anti-semetic nation in the world" thing because of what came up in another thread once.

Also I, and I think alot of people, get confused when we get all these "anti-semetic" scandels because I've no idea of anyone who has even mentioned jews nevermind critisied them.

Love the quote about a huge amount of bugger all, utter bolocks. Seems very applicable.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Hm, kinda related to this issue, did anyone see those jews burning the german flag in front of Knesset when the german president held a speech there about holocaust? And those few right wingers who demonstratively left the parliament when he arrived?

What the fuck?

And then jews whine about skinheads and "world-wide" hatred of jews.

If this kind of shit happens you deserve it.

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