I very strongly believe too many beginning producers start out with the aim of making a massive, big room trance track with a catchy, emotional, uplifting lead, and some compressed, thumping bass and drums. It's just THE only aim. It's not even said what the real aim of being a trance producer is anymore. For 80% of people (and rising), that's the unspoken, universal aim.

Please stop. Please force yourself to make at least one minimalistic track. Learn how to create euphoria and goosebumps with your music first, and then you can learn how to make people dance to that music. When you try to do it all at once from the very start, you will forget some small detail along the way, which will in turn make your music impersonal, unoriginal, and lacking some unknown thing.

If you feel like I'm accusing you, then I am, because you just realized that what I've said really is your aim (so I win ). If you don't think I'm accusing you, then I'm not. That simple. I hear all the time, (or read), "Don't produce for the money or fame, produce for the love of it." Great, now heed your own advice. What do you truly love about music?

This doesn't mean I'm asking for an ambient revolution or anything, I just would like to see everyone try to produce at least one different and minimalist style of trance rather than one style.

Don't hate me; I just want people to stop copying each other. I feel like I'm one of few who realizes that the definition of copying in a dance track has changed drastically over the past few years. It used to be obvious when a producer had a cool idea and tweaked his bass that certain way. Gouryella was the first to really effectively use that bass pattern. Anyone who wants rolling bass these days just slaps that down as an option because it sounded good. People make certain assumptions about what sounds good and what sounds good in their specific tracks, and fail to see the connection between.

I urge you, take some classic track, and go do a remix of it that's at least 30 bpm off.. I really think some people will be surprised at what happens. You'll find out you really can produce something meaningful, and it'll be simple. You'd be a hypocrite if you loved tracks like Morgan King - I'm Free, and then thought producing that kind of music wasn't important. Just go with your instinct.

A help for understanding what creativity and quality really is would be to read Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. There's so much good stuff in there, you should read it anyway. It takes things we do everyday to a most basic level and shows how complicated those bases really are, something I think is slipping away from trance. Please, I'm asking nicely For trance. For music.

Last edited by RIPassion on Feb-19-2005 at 20:09

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i started out producing crap-quality material. i know this. now, i'm working at a level which i am happy with. i wish i could produce great hard-hitting driving tracks, but i'm just not there yet (and am in no rush to get there too soon).

Yer i agree i havnt been "producing that long" and i was trying to come up with awesome melodys and stuff but just couldnt get em right and got lost with to many ideas

Anyway know im taking a slower approach and will gave a look into what you said

Yeah that sounds about right

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Originally posted by MadThijs You can't judge people whom don't know. You can judge people who don't care/want to learn, and think they know it all.

I can't tell what you're trying to say... "You can't judge people whom don't know." Do you mean "You can't judge people whom YOU don't know."? or "You can't judge people WHO don't know."? ...people who don't know what?

"You can judge people who don't care/want to learn, and they know it all." <--huh?

It's not about judging people, it's about juding the music, anyway. Not sure where you were going with that...

I believe that you're not really an artist unless you are able to produce more than 1 style of music. Let's face it - just about anyone with FL/Reason/Cubase/[your program here] can produce a generic uplifting trance (or any other genre you happen to be a fan of) track, but it takes a true artist to stretch the boundaries.

Think outside the box. Genre restrictions only exist in your head.

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Originally posted by RIPassion It's not about judging people, it's about juding the music, anyway. Not sure where you were going with that...

And who makes the music we judge?
You're right my sentences are strange and it should be who instead of whom.

"You can't judge people who don't know."
Producers make a track and it kind of sounds like something else. "Presets only""Using somethng that's done before(gouryella bassline/out of the blue leadsynth)"
These people won't get far, sometimes they do but then it's not because their music/production is good.

"You can judge people who don't care/want to learn, and think they know it all."
Copying Tiesto/Armin/FerryCorsten/Oakenfold or whatever producers they listen to. Sometimes Intentionally but most of the times because they listen to a particular sound and that's what their track happens to sound like.

`don´t care/want to learn" "I made the track""There's not better style then this/or that style"

You can learn a lot by finding out what you like in tracks in different styles, from classical to electronic.

And learn why you like it.

There are to much producers who make "computertrance" this is a term Ferry Corsten used for all the tracks who use the jp8000 sound of out of the blue, after it was released and apeared to be massive, and more presets.
And with that computer it's easier for the less talented producers to make a decent track.

I think rips inspiring a call to arms message is touching . Anyone can judge anything, fact is who gives a godamn. Wut the hell is computer trance, screw wut corsten sed , im gettin my jp tommorow, and I'll show him!

I don't know what your trying to say, but I think that when anyone starts writing music, its only natural to try to replicate what you like. I think this is good for beginners, its only part of the learning curve. When i first started i had no intention of making it big.

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It annoys me to no end to be able to just LOOK at a record and know it's crap, where the grooves show 75% of the record is a huge breakdown. I don't get the point of having 1 minute of mix in time, 3 minutes of breakdown, then 1 minute of mix out time... never mind the fact that alot of the small time DJ's that want to spin that kind of music look out and see floors that seem lost for 3 minutes cuz there's nothing to dance to...

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