they already make too much money to drive a bus

Time to privatize and get rid of the union.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 they already make too much money to drive a bus Time to privatize and get rid of the union.

i'd be pretty screwed - and I know most of my co-workers would be as well. But i'm sure i'd find a way around it, life wouldnt stop, the world wouldn't come to a sudden end if the TTC stopped for a couple of days.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 they already make too much money to drive a bus Time to privatize and get rid of the union.

Agreed!

Right now the TTC ticket-generated revenue covers only 78% (if i remember correctly) of its operating costs. That means taxpayer's money is used to fund the operation of the TTC. I wouldn't mind so much if taxpayer money was used to upgrade infrastructure or the number of vehicles. However, when revenues can't even fund day-to-day operations, something is wrong with the TTC.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict Agreed! Right now the TTC ticket-generated revenue covers only 78% (if i remember correctly) of its operating costs. That means taxpayer's money is used to fund the operation of the TTC. I wouldn't mind so much if taxpayer money was used to upgrade infrastructure or the number of vehicles. However, when revenues can't even fund day-to-day operations, something is wrong with the TTC.

I challenge you to find a public transit system anywhere in the world that has its operations self-financed through fares alone.

The US tends to subsidize the operations of their mass transit systems with taxpayer dollars to a higher extent than we do! (One of the principal reasons ours are so lacking in comparison.)

Average TTC employee makes about $25/hour...HELLO!!! YOURE A BUS DRIVER!!!! They wanted money, they got money, they wanted more budget, they got that too....meanwhile services has been getting worse and NOW they want to go on strike?!?! FCUK YOU! why don't you go get some education instead of driving a bus and crying about it

I know of people who graduated from UofT with a degree and working for much less than that and they're crying...cry me a river.

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Originally posted by starsearcher Average TTC employee makes about $25/hour...HELLO!!! YOURE A BUS DRIVER!!!! They wanted money, they got money, they wanted more budget, they got that too....meanwhile services has been getting worse and NOW they want to go on strike?!?! FCUK YOU! why don't you go get some education instead of driving a bus and crying about it I know of people who graduated from UofT with a degree and working for much less than that and they're crying...cry me a river.

They make me almost as sick as bartenders who bitch about "Cheap tips"

Like i said, privitize and get drivers who earn $15 an hour at most.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Just did a quick comparison between Toronto and New York.

Toronto Fare revenues: $730M (76%)
city contribution: $227M (24%)
total expenditure: $957M

NYC Fare revenues: $3,619M (43%)
gov't contributions: $2,647M (32%)
other revenue: $1,552M (18%)
total expenditure: $8,383M

...so the public contribution is quite higher in NYC.

But that has nothing to do with the union and employee salaries...try doing comparison how much NYC public transit workers get paid....

actualy no don't do that...this comparison is useless because Toronto is lightyears away from NYC And just for the record NYC subways are MUCH bigger MUCH older and are actually horrible

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Originally posted by starsearcher Average TTC employee makes about $25/hour...HELLO!!! YOURE A BUS DRIVER!!!! They wanted money, they got money, they wanted more budget, they got that too....meanwhile services has been getting worse and NOW they want to go on strike?!?! FCUK YOU! why don't you go get some education instead of driving a bus and crying about it I know of people who graduated from UofT with a degree and working for much less than that and they're crying...cry me a river.

hey they deserve every cent they get..... driving i bus is hard in the city and they work hard
Dont forgot also its not a job its a career

well i agree that they are 'just driving a bus' but you have to remember, they are also responsible for the safety of a lot of people on their bus. I guess when you take that into account, responsibility almost always = more pay.

take a look at commercial airline pilots, the auto-pilot systems are incredibly good these days, most pilots have to just sit back and relax, but they are paid to be there, for the safety of the passangers, just to make sure if the system fails, they can back it up.

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Originally posted by starsearcher But that has nothing to do with the union and employee salaries...try doing comparison how much NYC public transit workers get paid.... actualy no don't do that...this comparison is useless because Toronto is lightyears away from NYC And just for the record NYC subways are MUCH bigger MUCH older and are actually horrible

This isn't a comparison of how much employees make or how older / newer the systems are.

The point was raised that government contributions to public transit should not be used to cover operating costs. I'm simply showing that in a place such as the USA where government involvement in ANYTHING is generally frowned upon in comparison to Canada, they actually contribute more to their public transit systems than we do.