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Originally posted by clubkidnycnyc is anyone here into this type of trance http://www.philosomatika.com/ this is the type of trance im trying to make so ,if you could just tell me how i would go about it im ,using soft synths and a sequencer , i would just need something like a ruff draft and i could just build my own Psych tunes from it. thanks

There is no easy way. Bang out some beats, program some synths. If you have any specific questions, I'm sure we could help out, but overly broad questions like this aren't really answerable.

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If you wish to understand something related to psytrance, so go to:
http://forum.isratrance.com/
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewforum.php/forum/2 (short way)

and "DO USE the search function" before you post newbie
question there.
Another link containing several tips from Nectarios (an expert and ex-isratrance member) can be found on:
http://www.panpapason.com/ (click on ball called Techniques)

Psytrance isn't my place, but the sounds are commonly made using
pitch modulated by envelope/LFO, FM sounds and HPF filtering. Psytrance sounds uses a lot of enveloped/filtered noise and FX's as well as TV samples. Think about it.

ak.

16th beat basslines are a major feature in psy/goa trance. Flat Kicks without much sub bass are also favoured. This tends to leave a lot of the bottom end open for the funky bassline.

Syncopated, arpeggiated melodies too are frequently used.

Oh and throw in alteast 1 cheesy vocal sample from a major hollywood movie and your halfway there.

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okay thanks for your response i will check out the links and in the mean time just try to make my own sounds ,etc

i guess a better question ,or to answer DJ Mags question



what soft synth would be suitable for this type of Trance

right now i have Absynth 2,V- Station,Pro 53 ,and Vanguard

would one of these be fine or shoud i go get another more suitable one.



clubkid

Please don't make psytrance even more formulaic than it is at the moment

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I make Goa/Psy (my site with over 20 tracks for download: http://www.cybernetika.de ).

First of all, I have to distinguish between goa and psytrance. Goa is the more melodic, arabic type whereas Psy is more rythm-driven, but of course contradictions are fluent.
anyway, like already said, Psy consists of a not so deep kick... You can find some very good kickdrum samples online, take this one for example: http://www.cybernetika.de/psy_kick.wav ...
The bassline can be made very well with Vanguard for Example, but I found Audiorealism Bassline to be the most effective weapon especially for Full-On Type Basslines. Use very short notes and apply a compressor on the bass and it will sound quite hard. Usual layering in Psy is KBBBKBBBKBBBKBBB (with k being kick and b being bass, hehe)... Make sure your bass fills up the sub frequency spectrum (70-100kbps) so that your tune sounds richer, fuller and warmer. Goa in general has a quite different bass, I just use a simple off-beat bass (with less compression and volume) for Goa trance. There are probably hundreds of people knowing better about this than me on isratrance.
Concerning the percussion, the basic percussion follows the standard rules of Trance. Open Hihat in the Off-Beat, Snare every 2nd and 4th bar, eventually a driving closed hihat every 1/16th. You should now add another percussive element since these sounds alone aren't anything special... especially most Psy is heavily focused on groove and rythms with less melodies and harmonies. There are basically no rules for trippy synths. If you like them, add them. Some LFO action on them is quite nice too, synths accurately morphing into each other are actually the most challenging tasks, even for the elite of Psy. I'd suggest you create your FX-like Synths with Linplug Albino, I really love this synth for its endless possibilities of creating weird noises and shaping them ... Then arrange them in a groovy way. Finding out what groovy is is easy and difficult at once: everything that makes you bob your feet, or bang your head, or whatever ... read something about rythmics in music theory if youre not sure about this. Effects like Reverb, Delay, Phaser, Flanger, Chorus can help a lot, just experiment with all the FX you got to make your sound richer.
When playing with FX it may also be useful to you following the "question-answer" scheme. That means you got one sound being the question and some time afterwards another sound responds: the answer
The last thing I'll describe here are the melodies and the layering used in Goa. Goa uses oriental and arabic melodies quite a lot. Mostly it is in hungarian minor or phrygian key scales but you can also do it in a regular minor scale. Describing a goa melody is not quite easy but its most likely a very simple repetitive pattern with fast note progression (compared to melodic trance with slow, but clearer note progressions). Essential for Goa is LFO as well, synths fading in and out of cutoff all the way provide the trippy feeling. You can (very very basically) say Goa consists of 3 melody layers. One sub-bass (very deep, more sensible than audible), a trippy deep synth, and a higher melody synth. That's just to help you understand the ranges of certain instruments, not a recipe on how to layer a goa track

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Originally posted by clubkidnycnyc what soft synth would be suitable for this type of Trance right now i have Absynth 2,V- Station,Pro 53 ,and Vanguard would one of these be fine or shoud i go get another more suitable one. clubkid

No, these soft-synths already are suitable for psy-trance. In fact, for any kind of eletronic music.
Absynth for ambient & textures pads/noises, strings (it allows complex modulation and sound design)
VStation for basses and some (cheesy) leads
Pro53 for leads using Hipass filter and fat pads/strings
Vanguard for leads

Nowadays, psytrance is more rhythym-based than melody-based. It's more groove and effects, not the same like old GOA (e.g. Astral Projection). I think Infected Mushroom made something different, but actually they are sounding the same (repeating his own formula). His production is superb, though. And euro-trance is following the same way, because a lot of people (pro and amateur) are using the same sounds (e.g. HIPERused supersaw like Corsten/Rank 1).

AK.

Hehehe, it was great. (almost) Together!
Cybernetica, great post

Cybernetica

thanks for the post very useful and informative and Sonic too
you pretty much answerd my questions ,now im readt to pump out some beats.


clubkid

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Originally posted by wayfinder Please don't make psytrance even more formulaic than it is at the moment

wtf??

Listen to Black & White - Myledylay or Kindzadza - Conning soon and tell my psy is formulaic. Psy is shitting all over uplifting atm in terms of originality!! (and I loooove my uplifting)

grrr....

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http://www.psynews.org/