^ not a fan then?

If it worked as it's ment to it would be great, wheter it can is another question though....

But I do think we need to have something like it (as wastefull as it is just now).

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Originally posted by Dervish ^ not a fan then? If it worked as it's ment to it would be great, wheter it can is another question though.... But I do think we need to have something like it (as wastefull as it is just now).

I love the way people who are not even from the EU can make sweeping statements about it like its bad or whatever, but I can guarentee 9 times out of 10 you ask that person to expand they'll either not be able to or it will become evident they dont have a clue about the EU! (Actually that probably applies as much to people IN the EU as well!!)

So brashy, whats up with the EU?

I think its a positive, and has benifited many throughout Europe.

But it needs to become more democratic and acessable to the general public, most people dont understand the various Treatys etc, the Constitution that most of us will vote on is a good example, some countries will vote and others will not, and most people havent a clue what its all about.

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The one issue with I think is that it tends to be all the reject politicians who end up going to it because they can't get into their respective parliaments.

Apart from that we need to be able to legislate/cooperate at an EU level. We all benefit (but it costs....and worse costs different nations different amounts, some getting less back than they put in, but it has to be that way).

And we definatly need to hear more about it.

I think it's "The best solution for Europe today", but its not "The perfect solution for Europe". EU need to reform a lot of stuff, and much of it is in the constitution imo, and thats why i think it should be implamented. Personally im also a supporter of a federal europe, i think that would work a lot better than the EU we see today where different levels of EU/Countries cant really get together in a good way....

and yeah, most ppl really dont have a clue what the EU is about, esp within the EU i would say, which is tragic, i hope we can change this soon.

The one thing i REALLY hate about the EU is CAP.

anyway, back to my boring essay that im almost finnished with!

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Originally posted by St_Andrew anyway, back to my boring essay that im almost finnished with!

Ditto

It's a good idea in theory, but in practise it's created a massive (and expensive) bureaucracy. It's also prevented fundamental economic reform of the sort necessary for Europe to compete internationally; French-style state intervention is still too common. Finally, the EU ties the hands of countries that want tighter immigration controls - which is the #1 issue facing Europe today.

I therefore voted for option #3, although I just as easily could have voted for #4.

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i agree with what st andrew said except the CAP our usual subject our arguments lol ....lemme prepare my argments and i hope to change your mine !
UE is the best solution today it brought back peace in our countries after 2 wars which ruined us and also allows us to have exchange and programs i think it's a good think but to me each country needs to keep his personnality and what made it
im agree to share a lot of things and got some common politics but not everything ...otherwise we gonna loose our idendity

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Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l i agree with what st andrew said except the CAP our usual subject our arguments lol ....lemme prepare my argments and i hope to change your mine ! UE is the best solution today it brought back peace in our countries after 2 wars which ruined us and also allows us to have exchange and programs i think it's a good think but to me each country needs to keep his personnality and what made it im agree to share a lot of things and got some common politics but not everything ...otherwise we gonna loose our idendity

Boooooooooooo!

Fuck CAP!

The EU (or la UE!!!) has a budget of 60billion euros - half of that is spent on CAP (ie giving rich farmers money to either grow nothing or to destroy what they grow). Half!! We just expanded the EU so are in need of more structural funds (currently the structural funds account for 20% of the budget), plus we are trying to build an EU military capability but the only two countries with the defence budgets to meet the capability improvement targets are the UK and France, which means we cannot carry out Petersberg Tasks and help people in need.

Plus I hate farmers

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Originally posted by George Smiley Boooooooooooo! Fuck CAP! The EU (or la UE!!!) has a budget of 60billion euros - half of that is spent on CAP (ie giving rich farmers money to either grow nothing or to destroy what they grow). Half!! We just expanded the EU so are in need of more structural funds (currently the structural funds account for 20% of the budget), plus we are trying to build an EU military capability but the only two countries with the defence budgets to meet the capability improvement targets are the UK and France, which means we cannot carry out Petersberg Tasks and help people in need. Plus I hate farmers

yeah, seriously marie, fuck CAP! it's SOOOOO many arguments against it, and im really curious how you can defend it... so arguments or stfu!

so....i think the CAP is necessary and useful for many reasons
first it contributes to give to european guarantees and safety for the future products they buy ,furthermore PAC contributes for the environment 's protection and also promote the culture of the bio products
but it also contributes to make the EU 's products more competitive on the world's market
that's why i think we gotta keep the CAP