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originally posted by Tiesto14 http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=9 read that link... this guy claims the terrorists planned all of 9.11 and bin laden and Sheik Mohammad didnt.. NOW he claims Sheik Mohammad WAS NOT the 3rd man of Al Qaida.. can someone back me up here...i get to aggravated and want to smash my comp...lol

Awwww were you embarrased so much you had to delete the last one?!

Well ha ha ha!

Anyway...where was I?

Oh yes...

You have one hour to watch this film, and then you are gonna come back here and give me your opinions on it...

seen it when it was aired on bbc originally. Vry interesting. Personally i always questioned the excact involvement of bin laden.

The fact that al quedia always act in secert and in a cell is a big factor. Its not like the IRA where they had a army council deciding on what to do.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Awwww were you embarrased so much you had to delete the last one?! Well ha ha ha! Anyway...where was I? Oh yes... You have one hour to watch this film, and then you are gonna come back here and give me your opinions on it...

nah i jus decided i didnt want to get into a long winded debate with a tool like yourself who thinks Al Qaeda wasnt behind 9.11

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BIN LADEN ADMITTED HE WAS INVOLVED

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Originally posted by tiesto14 BIN LADEN ADMITTED HE WAS INVOLVED

And in what definition exactly does 'involved' = 'planned'?

You keep making things up that I supposedly think or have said but YOU DONT READ ANYTHING I WRITE!!!

I have never said bin Laden or "al-Qaida" weren't involved, I said they didn't come up with the plan, they merely financed it. Nothing you have said has countered that.

And you refuse to watch that documentary I am basing my opinions on (altho you could read Burke's book, if you were capable of reading)

You have no right to make comment on anything I say until you have assessed for yourself the source I am using...

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Originally posted by George Smiley And in what definition exactly does 'involved' = 'planned'? You keep making things up that I supposedly think or have said but YOU DONT READ ANYTHING I WRITE!!! I have never said bin Laden or "al-Qaida" weren't involved, I said they didn't come up with the plan, they merely financed it. Nothing you have said has countered that. And you refuse to watch that documentary I am basing my opinions on (altho you could read Burke's book, if you were capable of reading) You have no right to make comment on anything I say until you have assessed for yourself the source I am using...

OK Bin Laden didnt help plan it?..this quote sure says otherwise::

"BIN LADEN
We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for. (full text of the tape transcript)."


I dont want to sit for an hour watching some movie...last time one of u guys posted a movie it was that damn Road To Tyranny crap....last thing i need is to waste ANOTHER hour of my life on nonsense.

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

OK I am wacting this Road To Tyranny type nonsense..

All they seem to be saying is that poor little Bin Laden is the scapegoat for all these wrong doings...i think i am going to cry...poor Osama...

I am 20 minutes into this rubbish and am about to fall asleep...so what if America coined the phrase Al Qaida....we needed a name to call them as oppose to calling them "those guys in the hot dirt with rifles"

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

Al Qaeda is a figment of our imagination; there are no sleeper cells, and talk of lethal dirty bombs is all so much radioactive hot air...but if the US government doesnt do this and another attack happens people like George Smiley will say the US governemnt knew of the threats and did nothing to prevent them.,...friggen double talking nonsense.

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

I put this Curtis guy in the same boat as Moore, Chomsky and Zinn...i will acknowledge them but then politley ignore them...and put them on the same shelf as my manual to build a black helicopter with whisper mode.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 BIN LADEN ADMITTED HE WAS INVOLVED

that means shit to be honest. I dont think he planned it. he took responsibility for it since it was a group with the same goals as his. How did claiming he did it change his life it anyway? water of a ducks back to be honest.

I dont think he sat in his cave and organised it all, he saw it happen, might of even heard it was going to happen but i dont think he was the main organiser.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 OK Bin Laden didnt help plan it?..this quote sure says otherwise:: "BIN LADEN We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for. (full text of the tape transcript)."

Well I dont think its too much of a stretch of the imagination to assume bin Laden would have wanted to go through the fine details of the plan he was about to fund do you? Looks to me thats what he was doing (also understand his motives - he wants to promote his ideology, and taking credit for all of this is a good way to go about it)

Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying he was not involved cos he clearly was, and I'm not saying it was wrong to take him out, cos he is clearly a danger, but my objection is t the notion of what al-Qaida is (or isn't). And it isn't an international network of terrorists. There are terrorist cells in most countries, probably planning attacks - but these are not al-Qaida cells, they are all individual cells (some of whom may very well ask bin Laden for financing)

But then, you have displayed an absolute blind obliviousness to al-Qaida other than what your government tells you to believe...