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E2EK1EL
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Copy Protection - File Sharing might be done for ...

It may be a case of ‘if you can’t beat ‘em, change the law’.

After repeatedly losing in court over the sharing of music on the Internet, Canada’s recording industry may finally be about to win one. And it could change what you’ll be able to do on your computer forever.

The federal government has introduced a bill that will crack down on the practice of using programs like Kazaa and BitTorrent, by essentially making it illegal to put songs into a shared directory.

Those files can be accessed by the programs and seen by other users, who can then pick and choose what they want to copy.

Only those who hold the legal rights to a tune will be able to make something available, allowing amateur or independent musicians to still offer up their work, while protecting the big record companies.

Bill C-60 is an overhaul of Canada’s increasingly outdated Copyright Act, and addresses everything from computers to CD burning.

It aims to stop users from subverting copy protection on compact discs, although making duplicates of CDs you already own for your own personal use – like your MP3 player- would remain legal.

“The message to everybody out there [is] that it's not free because it's on the Internet,” warns Heritage Minister Liza Frulla.

The new law would exempt Internet Service Providers from liability. Instead, they’d send offenders a notice that a rights holder believes they’re offering up illegally obtained material for others.

It would demand it be removed or the user could face a lawsuit, similar to the ones filed by the industry in the U.S.

Record company execs are hailing the changes, noting they’ve lost millions in sales to the practice. Their previous legal efforts to prevent the copying have always resulted in failure.

"It's now pretty obvious ... the Canadian government intends this activity, uploading, to be illegal,” observes Graham Henderson, president of the Canadian Recording Industry Association. “There's now no issue about that."

But critics contend the bill is overkill, and could have unforeseen consequences for academic researchers looking to share their findings with others.

"This bill is a massive, massive giveaway to rights holders," fumes law professor David Fewer of the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic. "These are rights that belong to users currently, to researchers and to consumers."

The bill isn’t expected to become law until next spring, when those user rights may suddenly turn into very legal wrongs.


June 21, 2005

http://www.pulse24.com/Business/Top...21-001/page.asp

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Orko
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thats fine, because live sets are still not copyrighted.

and most sets are sanctioned by the dj themselves. so i think most of us here, are ok.

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Good... maybe people will actually buy music again. As long as i can get live to air sets from other countries ill be happy (such as essential mix and carl cox global)

File sharing has hurt the electronic scene the most since most of the money was made on actual record sales as opposed to merchandising and tours. This is why so many small labels have gone under and why so many people have stopped producing and gone on to get what they refer to as "legit" jobs. This is also why big labels wont touch electronic music. You can make much more money selling the image of rap stars than you can an underground dj. In fact EDM is often imageless which is part of it's charm. This is why i resent guys like tiesto who ride more on the image then the music.

i find music production and talent to be more legit than most "legit" jobs. Too bad most people find it ok to steal from a lot of smaller artists.


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Old Post Jun-21-2005 17:38  Canada
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Just like the states, there'll be too many people who continue to break the law despite the conditions. Yes a few people will be picked out by the recording industry task force, but for the most part, people will continue to share files.

Filesharing will NEVER be done for....


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Jayx1
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Good if they make this law then somebody should sue the government into recinding the blank media tarrif that they impose to supposedly pay back artists for music that may or may not be copied onto blank tapes and CDs.

The recording artists i know have never received a penny from this fund.


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Everything in this country is illegal.

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no-smoking copyrights-obsessed society.
I'm wondering what's gonna be their next "can't-do"


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no-smoking copyrights-obsessed society.
I'm wondering what's gonna be their next "can't-do"


even as a libertarian i support this law because stealing is wrong whether its online or in real life. And ive seen the affects on the music industry first hand. File sharing has actually helped big labels because its put the smaller ones right out of business.


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Everything in this country is illegal.

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quote:
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stealing is wrong


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Originally posted by Jayx1
Good... maybe people will actually buy music again. As long as i can get live to air sets from other countries ill be happy (such as essential mix and carl cox global)

File sharing has hurt the electronic scene the most since most of the money was made on actual record sales as opposed to merchandising and tours. This is why so many small labels have gone under and why so many people have stopped producing and gone on to get what they refer to as "legit" jobs. This is also why big labels wont touch electronic music. You can make much more money selling the image of rap stars than you can an underground dj. In fact EDM is often imageless which is part of it's charm. This is why i resent guys like tiesto who ride more on the image then the music.

i find music production and talent to be more legit than most "legit" jobs. Too bad most people find it ok to steal from a lot of smaller artists.


I cant disagree with you more... EDM is popular because of the way it is and the image it creats for the DJ. And honestly, these DJs work their ass off by doing this.. the constant travelling from club to club over the world, but in the end, they get paid good money to do it..

Music should be cheap to buy not $20 for a CD. Most of the money doesnt even go to the artist anyway he/she will still make 60 cents on an album anyway (I hoestly dont know the right amount but I know that they dont even make a quater of the CD price).

A lot of artist have become famous because of downloading and these artist thank the free downloaders for picking up their stuff from the web. Their reasoning is that they tried to go to record companies with their stuff and these companies werent interested.

Live shows generate more money for the artist. Bruce Springsteen made 80 million on his tour 2 years ago. Rolling Stones...made more from the Licks Lour...

The fact of the matter is technology has changed and so should the way people listen to it. Artist should not dream of making endless amount of money... an artist who does it for the sake of money should not be considered an artist. and if you wanna make lots of money go ona tour and work for it!


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Jayx1
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i have a whole bunch of friends in the recording industry that would disagree. And considering that 2 of them are juno winners as well i'd tend to believe them.


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i have a whole bunch of friends in the recording industry that would disagree. And considering that 2 of them are juno winners as well i'd tend to believe them.


You have EDM buddies that won Junos?

I believe that's what walkindude was talking about; soaring popularity through file sharing and minimal $$$ made on CDs and most of it made DJing live...Tiesto just made more money by spinning at EuroDisney...WORKING it...

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You have EDM buddies that won Junos?

I believe that's what walkindude was talking about; soaring popularity through file sharing and minimal $$$ made on CDs and most of it made DJing live...Tiesto just made more money by spinning at EuroDisney...WORKING it...


Well I don't know if Jayx1 and I share the same friends but Yes EDM does win
George Hatiras picked up a Juno last year

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