Does anyone know how to make patches like the bass used in Robert Miles - Children? The main bass notes that drive the song.

How is that kind of patch made?

thank you

sounds like filter envoloped saw with some resonance... so the sound is more accented... and some chorus... to phatten it up.

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I don't have the track in front of me but I think I remember what it is (this will make a good bass basis (bassis?) regardless)... try this:

Two square oscs. One +3 cents the other -3. Might need to improvise with the phases because the current will cause the beating effect = bad. 4-pole filter, not 2-pole (will help it cut through the mix). Cut-off pretty low and resonance ample but lower than cut-off. Amp envelope: Amp, Sustain set to 0. Release hardly raised but enough to make it sound natural. Decay about half-way... experiment with that. Filter envelope same as amp envelope with a little less decay and raise the knob till it sounds right. Experiment from there... and it's going to depend on the synth you use to get the sound just right. I think there may have been a little sawtooth or something like that in there to give it a little growling harmonics... can't remember =\. Some fx probably, and maybe a center-panned delay with about 3 ms or so and low feedback to fuck with the harmonics a little further. Ah crap I was thinking of the Dream version of Children when I did this... I can't remember what it's like in the original mix (which I despise, so don't ask me to listen ). Lotta help I am

it had more of a sawtooth texture last time i heard it... chorus kind of phattens it up a bit... maybe it's a PWM Square? but I highly doubt it is a full on square... or could be.. now that I hear it with some resonance on the filter decay... same thing you said, I don't have the track in front of me to judge.

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Originally posted by RIPassion I don't have the track in front of me but I think I remember what it is (this will make a good bass basis (bassis?) regardless)... try this: Two square oscs. One +3 cents the other -3. Might need to improvise with the phases because the current will cause the beating effect = bad. 4-pole filter, not 2-pole (will help it cut through the mix). Cut-off pretty low and resonance ample but lower than cut-off. Amp envelope: Amp, Sustain set to 0. Release hardly raised but enough to make it sound natural. Decay about half-way... experiment with that. Filter envelope same as amp envelope with a little less decay and raise the knob till it sounds right. Experiment from there... and it's going to depend on the synth you use to get the sound just right. I think there may have been a little sawtooth or something like that in there to give it a little growling harmonics... can't remember =\. Some fx probably, and maybe a center-panned delay with about 3 ms or so and low feedback to fuck with the harmonics a little further. Ah crap I was thinking of the Dream version of Children when I did this... I can't remember what it's like in the original mix (which I despise, so don't ask me to listen ). Lotta help I am

The bass is the same for both versions. Thanks for the detailed reply..I will give it a shot! Really appreciate the guidance. Thank you!!

Its an organ sound.

Robert Miles used a Korg M1 preset called 'organ2' on children-a very famous preset- almost as famous as the DX solid and lately presets as mentioned in the classic bass sound thread last week.

Heres a very Robin S-esque snippet of that sound for you I have just uploaded....
http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...D53THY00959ZJAP Im sure you can recognise the sound itself straight away- very distinctive! The reverb is part of the sound too as preset.

Most early 90s synths had tonnes of organ presets- but this is probably one of the best sounding one s ofr electronic stuff as it has a very nice thump to it and sits well in a mix- and its certainly one of the most over used. As used on countless US house/garage tracks and loads of early house stuff.
Try a Jazz organ for something similar- although you may need to run it through an LPF and change the envelope slightly.

Choo-choo.........

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Originally posted by Freak Its an organ sound. Robert Miles used a Korg M1 preset called 'organ2' on children-a very famous preset- almost as famous as the DX solid and lately presets as mentioned in the classic bass sound thread last week. Heres a very Robin S-esque snippet of that sound for you I have just uploaded.... http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...D53THY00959ZJAP Im sure you can recognise the sound itself straight away- very distinctive! The reverb is part of the sound too as preset. Most early 90s synths had tonnes of organ presets- but this is probably one of the best sounding one s ofr electronic stuff as it has a very nice thump to it and sits well in a mix- and its certainly one of the most over used. As used on countless US house/garage tracks and loads of early house stuff. Try a Jazz organ for something similar- although you may need to run it through an LPF and change the envelope slightly. Choo-choo.........

As softsynth you can choose the Z3ta+. It has some different organ waves. And its great for making bass sounds!

freak did you use soft synth for that sound?? or know of a soft synth that will produce that sound

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I do believe that the main offbeat bass is made of FM synthesis, a variation of the famous solid bass preset. Anyway, I heard some very similar preset on one of the FM vsts, it wasnt FM7, but i cant realyl remember.

The beginning bass string is an organ sound, there are some purpose specific VSTS that could get the job done just as fine.

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why the hell would you want that bass??? it sucks... if it was the piano.. thats a whole other thing :P

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Thanks for the information Freak. It's not the bass that i'm asking to learn..but when it comes to extra info, i never refuse. Plus I love that organ sound anyways.

..here is the bass timbre I would like to program.
http://www.qfile.de/dl/105702/Rober...atBass.mp3.html

not the kick..not the woodblock-type thing... just the offbeat bass.



thanx!!!!

you should try novation bass station vst, its perfect for this kind of sound

saw waveform
some resonance
etc

i already found 4 presets which are almost exactly the same as in children, just some minor tweaking and you're done