Dont waist your money.
Do not use beat counters your only killing your ability to beatmatch.
Simple as that.

yeah, what 00 tommy said.... pretty pointless.

All decent cdjs have them built in, the pio mixers (among others) and i know fs2 has it and serate will be getting it.. but in all fairness i its nto worth ur time or money. learn yourself, better in the long run. .specially with vinyl.

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ok good, it will save me some money...

beatmatching is harder than i thought it would be... i think its tricky using the pitch faders to keep them in sync. starting in sync isnt hard at all, but it think it's hard to decide whether to increase or decrease pitch and which track to adjust... especially since i havent gotten my headphones yet (they are on the way (sony 700 somethings ~ the good ones). hopefully that will make it easier...

hope the headphones help

bisco

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not to use

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most of which i know don't even work well... besides that, fine adjustment is required in every case, so you better learn it without BPM counters...

Yup, they are a false economy.

Not accurate enough and it can screw you totally if you end up playing a venue that doesn't have them.

It is much better to learn how to do it with your ear and you brain.

The companies that make them are basically cashing in on the desire of new DJs to learn faster.

The only time I would ever use one is in the studio if I am using a vocal sample. Would first get the BPM of the original track and then match it to the vocal. Saves a bit of time.

When I'm playing out I will use them (when available) just to see how fast the guy before me is playing just to make a mental note but it's no biggie if they aren't there.
Also if a bigger DJ is on after me then I can sometimes use it to keep in mind how the speed of my set will impact his i.e. to ensure that I don't exceed the bpm's that he will play at. As I said though, I can do this without the use of BPM counters but when they are there that's what I do.

Cheers
Nem

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They do come in handy when your doing other tricks like scratchin or sampling just to give you a genral idea of the bpm so you can beatmatch faster but the fine tuning is up to you. Some people use em some not. i pers. don't cause i practised and i know my records well enough

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I think these things are a waste of money. They are never spot on as most tracks will always have a very slight bpm flutter in them

Don't waste your cash on this... you probably would end up wishing you had bought something else

knowing the bpm will not help you at all. the fluctuations in a lot of the records you will try to mix together is less than 1 bpm, and even a half a bpm of difference will turn into disaster very quickly.

the only thing you need a bpm counter for is for organizing your records for harmonic mixing. or like some of the other guys said, concrete numbers for objectivity.

you don't learn to run a marathon by using crutches, do you?

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you can just use a beatcounter from your pc (for free ), get a rough bpm of your records and write it on the cover of each tune, u dont need to use it for beatmatching, but you can save time by not attempting to mix records with a big bpm difference, it can even help when you want to plan your set beforhand, you know, put some slower tracks in the beginning and increase the tempo progressively to get to the desired bpm


not an expert in this matter but it's just a suggestion

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