I'm starting to build the studio up and was wondering should I get the 8000 or the 8080? I don't have any other midi controllers or synths, or softsynths yet. Better yet, should I just forget the Roland and grab a Virus C or TI instead? I know the Rolands have been used extensively by everyone and possibly exploited to the max?

Thanks

PS..are the Mackie HR824's worth it, or is there an equivalent set thats cheaper and as powerful?

first, speaking of "overused one-trick pony" - JP would definitely be a #1 contender for the spot. If you don't have a MIDI controller, 8080 is out of the question, as it doesn't have the keys. You'll need to get something that DOES have keys. If you must have JP, 8000 is yor only bet, unless you plan to shell out for add'l kbd to be your MIDI master.


second, to call a virus "overused" is like saying that just because everyone drives cars, you shouldn't. If you plan to stick to standard sounds, patches, etc - virus is definitely not your primary choice. However, if you want to have some room for creativity - virus is your best bet at the moment. as far as its sound being "overused", unlike JP - virus sound can be made to sound like just about anything. It's only the user that becomes the limiting factor of the synth. the modulation capability on C and TI series are virtually unparalleled by anything short of OB Matrix 12 or Andromeda. Though, keep in mind that the price tag difference between JP and Virus can be substantial. You can probably get something like kC for about $900-$1000 or if you look hard and lucky - somewhere in the ballpark of $700 (if you can find it). Ti also has many issues at the moment, however, they are being erradicated and it's an overall wondersynth. I personally would not trade 10 JP's for 1 Ti, but that's just me. Furthermore, if you could only buy one synth and one synth only - Ti would be it.

My "deserted island" gear list would start with Ti Polar (though I doubt it will be of much use without the power - realistically speaking )

do some research on www.harmony-central.com in User Review section of the synths. Vintagesynth.com is another good spot (but a bit dated and doesn't have all the latest and greatest info).

bottom line - stay away from JP8xxx - and don't let the "supersaw" junkies convince you otherwise. it's a lame and overused piece of crap.

/flame_suit: ON - bring it on JP pansies!!! raaaaaaaaaawrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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I own the hr624's and i can't recommend them enough the hr824's are for big studios with lots of acoustic space the hr624's are more for small studios or rooms. But your best bet is to go down to your local music shop and try a few different monitors out. As for hardware synths the jp is a good buy as i use it mainly as a midi controller for other vsts just assigning various parts of the vst to each knob and still use it for pads and when layered with soft synth sounds you get a nice and fresh sounding synth if used correctly...i think the virus is a good allrounder though from what i have heard. Best option go down to your local store and see what suits your style your wanting to produce. I think people on here can only advise you it's down to you as an individual to find that piece of equipment which suits you.

Hope this helps

Craig

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ps. I use HR824's (have been using them for quite some time) - great monitors, though, some claim they are "too dark". I find them just right but you can probably get something else cheaper. The best suggestion - take the music you know well and listen.

Eventide 8 series or even Yamahas are worthy runners-up. I might be selling mine HR's, as I'm downsizing my studio - so, drop me a line if you're interested. Mine are in fantastic shape and look great. I even have the original boxes.

Cheers!

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jp80x0 makes the cleanest supersaw. Best for airy pads.

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Eh, you dont have to use saw waves to make pads...These days I mix in wavetables and samples pitched down a few octaves...Great way to make atmospheric sounds by dropping wavetables, ambient sound samples and elctromechanical keyboard samples down by 48 semi tones.

The supersaw is fecking hard to get right without a supersaw/feedback oscillator though. Been trying on and off for a few months now on my Virus B and its still not there...

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Originally posted by emc^2 first, speaking of "overused one-trick pony" - JP would definitely be a #1 contender for the spot. If you don't have a MIDI controller, 8080 is out of the question, as it doesn't have the keys. You'll need to get something that DOES have keys. If you must have JP, 8000 is yor only bet, unless you plan to shell out for add'l kbd to be your MIDI master. second, to call a virus "overused" is like saying that just because everyone drives cars, you shouldn't. If you plan to stick to standard sounds, patches, etc - virus is definitely not your primary choice. However, if you want to have some room for creativity - virus is your best bet at the moment. as far as its sound being "overused", unlike JP - virus sound can be made to sound like just about anything. It's only the user that becomes the limiting factor of the synth. the modulation capability on C and TI series are virtually unparalleled by anything short of OB Matrix 12 or Andromeda. Though, keep in mind that the price tag difference between JP and Virus can be substantial. You can probably get something like kC for about $900-$1000 or if you look hard and lucky - somewhere in the ballpark of $700 (if you can find it). Ti also has many issues at the moment, however, they are being erradicated and it's an overall wondersynth. I personally would not trade 10 JP's for 1 Ti, but that's just me. Furthermore, if you could only buy one synth and one synth only - Ti would be it. My "deserted island" gear list would start with Ti Polar (though I doubt it will be of much use without the power - realistically speaking ) do some research on www.harmony-central.com in User Review section of the synths. Vintagesynth.com is another good spot (but a bit dated and doesn't have all the latest and greatest info). bottom line - stay away from JP8xxx - and don't let the "supersaw" junkies convince you otherwise. it's a lame and overused piece of crap. /flame_suit: ON - bring it on JP pansies!!! raaaaaaaaaawrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Oh, cool, you own a JP?

You mean you don't think it makes some amazing basses too?

Oh wait, what? You don't own a--oh.. oh i see.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Oh, cool, you own a JP? You mean you don't think it makes some amazing basses too? Oh wait, what? You don't own a--oh.. oh i see.

haahaha! Oh, sorry - that was too synthetic of a laugh. I USED to own JP8080 and after I reallised what a toy it was - I dumped it. But hey, toys for boys. When you grow up, come and see me - I'll point you in a general direction of "pro" gear.

Ok, laddie?

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coming from a guy who needs books to help him produce

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Originally posted by Derivative HAHA YOU LOSE MOTHERFUKKAH.

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Originally posted by dj_kane coming from a guy who needs books to help him produce

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No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don’t want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life’s change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

--Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

Sillyness.

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