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This shit is priceless:

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First of all, with Valhalla sound gets bigger, rounder and more life-like. The difference this makes on visceral levels cannot be understated. In concert, a timpani or bass drum whack is a big event, one that can, in the case of first big whack in The Firebird Suite, cause many listeners to jump. It is preposterous to pretend one can appreciate such a wallop when it is reproduced by a boom box or typical car stereo. With Valhalla cabling, one can not only hear and feel the wallop, but hear the reverberation within the drum, and sense the enormity of the instrument’s cavity. Valhalla consistently reveals the soul of music. This I learned within a week of its installation, when I invited a friend over to listen to the Erato recording of Jake Heggie’s opera, Dead Man Walking. We had both attended this opera’s San Francisco world premiere, and cried through parts of it. Unfortunately, the night I attended, mezzo-soprano Susan Graham was unable to sing the title role due to the death of her father...

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Originally posted by Derivative Derivative Industries has been a leading innovator in the field of superconducting monofibre cables since 1995. Utilizing patented technologies our engineers have designed a supercooled sheath, filled with liquid nitrogen in a single layer of no more than 1 molecule from the circumference of a copper monofilament. The sheath is then woven with diamond thread and submerged in liquid nitrogen and cooled to absolute zero before the supercooled sheath is flooded with magnetic waters from the mountain ranges of the Himalayas. The tiny magnetic ferrous particles in the water induce a current in the newly formed superconductor when it is coiled into a loop thus generating a non stop current - the current that will carry your hifi experience into the fuuuuture.

They did not cool the substance to absolute zero. If they did, they know something that the world's leading physicists do not.

Why does it matter if the water is from the Himalayas? It seems to me that the only criterion for something like this is ionization and iron content of the water, not the source.

And then there's the effect of the induced current. Yes, Michael Faraday did demonstrate that a magnetic field which is changing in time induces an electric current, so this part seems ok. However, as any physics student will tell you within their first week of class, a non-stop current is a violation of the conservation of energy principle. Unless, of course, these people know something the physics community does not.

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Originally posted by Derivative No other cable manufacturer has worked as closely as we have with aerospace engineers to generate infinte current cable technology (trademark). Notes sustain forever, signal degradation becomes non existant as the bridge between Vinyl turntable and Headphone is closed to the point of being joined into one synergistic whole.

Wow, holy shit. I wonder if they can get sued for false advertising. Again with the infinite current thing. And, once more, any undergrad studying electricity or circuits can tell you V = IR, or Voltage = Current * Resistance. If I'm interpreting their statements correctly, they're saying that you get an infinite current with no resistance in the cable. This is what we call "short circuiting." Although, in the case of a single wire, there isn't really a circuit in the traditional sense.

If I wanted to get a huge current with small resistance I can just pour ionized (e.g. from the tap) water onto my equipment while it's turned on. And it costs me virtually nothing, if you ignore the equipment loss.

Last edited by Tranc3 on Jun-11-2006 at 07:32

This reminds me of the time I bought some cables at the local Guitar Center. I'm not singling them out, but I am singling out the dumbass who was trying to get me to buy the monstrously expensive variety of cables, whose manufacturer shall remain nameless.

This jackass was actually standing in front of me, telling me that these other cables would not only lower the noise floor (believable, as well as reasonable), but also IMPROVE the quality of the music. I cocked my head to one side like a dog would and raised my eyebrows, not sure if I had heard him correctly. I informed him I wasn't quite sure I believed that, but this only served to produce more jibber-jabber from his mouth.

I smiled and continued to say no, trying not to laugh at the poor guy.

The worst part is, he was speaking as if he believed it. As if he was a non-believer, but had been converted after he had seen the proverbial light. He was enlightened, he had salvation, he was an idiot, and he wanted to share it with me.

Oh, one more thing. If you use fiber optics for your cabling needs, your signal is travelling at 100% the speed of light, since you're using LIGHT.

So what if the signal is closer to the speed of light. Seems like it would simply get more warped due to relativity. Not to mention the extra power needed to accelerate the electrons, which increases exponentially due to their increasing mass. So where does this extra energy come from? Do you plug the cable into your nuclear generator?

BTW i have never heard soo much bullshit in mylife.. All electromagnetic fields travel at the speed of light this include electricity.

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Originally posted by fr0st BTW i have never heard soo much bullshit in mylife.. All electromagnetic fields travel at the speed of light this include electricity.

right... but the speed of light varies in different materials, which is the cause of refraction.

Btw... the electromagnetic field does not travel trough the copper wires, it actually is only guided by the conducturs. Energy is transported trough the medium between at least two conductive guides.

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What avarice.

I'm not sure who I pity more, the customer or the scoundrel who sold it to them.

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Originally posted by Derivative Its the equivilant of Delboy bottling tap water and selling it as mineral water from the source: Peckham Springs.

Do these glow yellow in the dark too?

What the HiFi guys don't realize is that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Well they say that about their rigs but pay no attention to the recording side of things..

ie They LURVE vinyl over CDs, but guess what? Even your super expensive glass plattered deck is still subject to the joys of RIAA equalization, and the guy doing the recording may have some nice and expensive earthworks mics going through a pair of very serious Pres, but I bet the cable run between the two costs no more than $1 per meter.. With some Very Expensive $5 Neutrik connectors on each end..

Puhlease..

The supposed performance of they peoples HiFis way exceeds all natural reason, and certainly in excess of even the most well specced "Big Room" studio.

To put it anotherway if you convert an mp3 to WAV you still have MP3 quality even though the WAV spec will allow you to have mich higher quality..

God help them if they listen to electronica.

I always wonder how much of this shit is bollocks. Sure you want half decent cables, but how many records in any genre are actually made using this stuff?

For this reason having all this crap might actually make tracks sound worse as you pick up bits missed in the production process.

Actually that's a real problem..

Once you get into the world of serious monitoring in a serious room you really do start to hear flaws and mistakes that you never noticed before...


For example, any radio station in the USA broadcasting "hey Jude" by the Beatles should be fined by the FCC for indenct language as around 2:52-3:02 John Lennon drops a bum guitar chord, yells "got the wrong chord" and then goes "Aww, Fookin' 'ell!" all right there in the record.

Go listen carefully. You'll probbably hear it on even semi decent speakers / HPs if you know it's there..