It was an awesome read, thanks.

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Originally posted by Misanthrope It was an awesome read, thanks.

as if you read that

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Originally posted by evil_cookie as if you read that

I did actually.

Read it too, it isn't that difficult to understand. [I hate reading]


Holy fuck I just messaged to a friend on msn, and he is going CRAZY he is so pissed off he just read that article.

Waiting to hear a response from Jaxy1.

I read that article on the hard copy.

Its disgusting that doctors are now trying to impose their ideals on patients. If i ran government, id pass a law declaring that patients must be treated equally no matter what.

Also these doctors should be stripped of their licences. Why? Because they are violating the ancient hippocratic oath that they took when they became an MD.

One more notch in my argument for private medicare. At least then you have the choice of your own lifestyle.

Why cant adults be treated like adults anymore????

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

My gf works in Health Economics so I forwarded this on to her. It was a good read but nothing too surprising or exciting from my view.
Since I don't really have any bad vices I'm not really that concerned and having done a lot of course work on medical ethics I knew a lot of this practice was already around.

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Originally posted by Lightshow i wear sunglasses for the same reason everybody wears them in a club. 1: people look cool in sunglasses 2: it gets awefully bright as the night progresses

*nusty does not wear sunglasses at night, they make it hard to see and you could trip

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I read that article on the hard copy. Its disgusting that doctors are now trying to impose their ideals on patients. If i ran government, id pass a law declaring that patients must be treated equally no matter what. Also these doctors should be stripped of their licences. Why? Because they are violating the ancient hippocratic oath that they took when they became an MD. One more notch in my argument for private medicare. At least then you have the choice of your own lifestyle. Why cant adults be treated like adults anymore????

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Dr. Ruth Collins-Nakai, president of the Canadian Medical Association, stresses that doctors will always provide care in emergency situations. She adds, however, that in cases of "lifestyle-induced problems" brought on by such habits as smoking, "the doctor cannot change those things without the co-operation of the patient. And if the patient isn't willing to co-operate, then it becomes very frustrating for the doctor to have to continue looking after the patient." And, though she says doctors who drop such patients are rare, she adds that continuing to treat people who won't change "may not be the wisest use of the few resources we have in terms of doctor-availability."

DING!!!!! and if you cant understand that, you need to put down your latest stash of E.

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but where do you draw the line to describe detrimental "lifestyle choices"

we drink lots and stay out to all hours of the morning, if that is deemed to be a detrimental lifestyle choice and I'm denied badly needed treatment, and instead it is given to someone else, how would I feel. They need to sit down and define the hippocratic oath. Is the purpose of a doctor to fix you when you are ill, or to guide you to being healthy.

If its the former, then I can do what I want, and they have to operate on me, to provide " equal treatment to all". if its the latter, then they have the choice to turn away certain people based on their professional opinion, which I disagree with, because some doctors are very poorly trained, and shouldn't be practising. What if they just dont want to do the surgery at all, for fear of being sued? then they could say, "Well you're a smoker... uh... sorry" , or they know that operating on little young and sick Johnny (5 spots down the waiting list) will look good in the papers... etc....

by choosing the latter you give doctors the choice whom to treat, and some will no doubt abuse it.

Even by charging a fee, i don't think will remedy this.

IMO there is no in between. either free for all, or a system like the US has.

There IS an in between and most coutntries in the world have found that in between.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by simms327 but where do you draw the line to describe detrimental "lifestyle choices" we drink lots

If you drink more than 3 beers (guys) that is BAD FOR YOU.

You are no longer fully (despite how you feel or think at that time) in charge of yourself and you're putting undue strain on your stomach and liver.

Alcohol is horrible for your stomach. When ppl have ulcers, its always alcohol that affects it the most and usually when pain is the worse (your stomach dealing with excessive alcohol is harder to process than a large meal).

Its proven that 1-2 beers is actually beneficial for you, but over that, you're actually not doing yourself any favours. I recently heard on the news about the tie to excessive drinking (read: OVER 3 DRINKS A NIGHT) to increased risks of some kind of cancer (colon maybe? forget).

^^ But all that said, yea, if I was denied access to help bc I am deamed "higher risk" bc I drink, I'd be annoyed too!!

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