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I agree with this. I especially agree with the time exemption of 5 years. 14 year olds should not be subjected to 40 year olds etc etc. 16 is a decent age for that. They should also lower the gay consent age from 18 to 16 though.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

the 5 year exemption is key to this getting through...without out, it would have been defeated in a heartbeat (and I'd 100% support that defeat). "criminalizing" sex between consenting minors is ridiculous and would have been a massive step backwards.

I still fail to see the point of the change though...it's another bill that sounds good on paper and appeases older, conservative voters. Essentially this just makes it easier to prosecute older people having sex with 14 and 15 yr. olds without the need to of showing that their was no consent on the part of the minor.

like the street racing bill, it's not "bad" legislation...but it's on the fluffy, pointless side, IMHO.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I agree with this. I especially agree with the time exemption of 5 years. 14 year olds should not be subjected to 40 year olds etc etc. 16 is a decent age for that. They should also lower the gay consent age from 18 to 16 though.

WHAT THE FUCK... Captain anti-social engineering is supporting a social engineering initiative.... WHAT ABOUT INDVIDUAL LIBERTIES????

Seriously, you've really just solidified to everyone reading this fourm that you are nothing more then a conservative party hack. How can you possibly bitch about every type of social engineering policy that comes along without regard for it's merits but then support this one? Why just this one? Oh, yeah, because the CPC thought of it. You've just blown all credibility you had with me.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

i dont think protecting 14 year olds from adults is a bad thing.

you are right though, the key to this is the 5 year exemption. Without it, id be against it completely

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I think the 5 year difference should be reduced. 20 with a 15 year old? Come on. One is halfway through college and the other barely started highschool. I think 3 years is fine.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard WHAT THE FUCK... Captain anti-social engineering is supporting a social engineering initiative.... WHAT ABOUT INDVIDUAL LIBERTIES???? Seriously, you've really just solidified to everyone reading this fourm that you are nothing more then a conservative party hack. How can you possibly bitch about every type of social engineering policy that comes along without regard for it's merits but then support this one? Why just this one? Oh, yeah, because the CPC thought of it. You've just blown all credibility you had with me.

hahah i knew this was coming..


I have always advocated the right of ADULTS to make their own decsions. I also have always believed that children should be protected from adults in certain situations..

Nothing has changed my friend..

children should NOT have the right to drink, smoke and do other things that should be (but are not thanks to recent legislation) ADULT choices to make. However i do think that the drinking and smoking age should be reduced to 18 (the age when you are legally an adult in the eyes of the law)

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 hahah i knew this was coming.. I have always advocated the right of ADULTS to make their own decsions. I also have always believed that children should be protected from adults in certain situations.. Nothing has changed my friend.. children should NOT have the right to drink, smoke and do other things that should be (but are not thanks to recent legislation) ADULT choices to make. However i do think that the drinking and smoking age should be reduced to 18 (the age when you are legally an adult in the eyes of the law)

Hmmm, is there any evidence to support that a 14 year old is not capable of making decisions regarding sex but a 16 year old is?

Regardless of how you justify your position you are still being inconsistant. If social engineering is bad then why is it okay so long as it's only children that we seek to control. I know, you'll say because children are incapable of making a wise decision in matters such as sex/drinking/smoking.... right? Can the same not be said about adults who are addicted to nicotine when it comes to smoking? Or alcoholics when it comes to hours of operation for taverns? Clearly none of the groups identified above can make a wise decision regarding these things. So, why is it okay for the nanny state to exist for children but not for adults who may be equally incapable of making informed and wise decisions?

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I think the 5 year difference should be reduced. 20 with a 15 year old? Come on. One is halfway through college and the other barely started highschool. I think 3 years is fine.

+1

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the problem here is the CPC legislating morality...the existing age of consent of 14 has been so for a century...and 15 yr. olds are a LOT more 'in the know' than they were 50 years ago (or even 20 years ago)

now, do *I* think that a 15 yr old should be sleeping with a 30 yr. old? hell no.

but do I think the gov't has any business legislating around that MORAL feeling of mine? hell no.

as with the street racing bill, we HAVE other laws in place already that address more relavant (and common) situations...the age of consent becomes 18 from 14 when the adult in question is in any kind of position of authority or trust over the minor...so teens are already protected from teachers, neighbours, employers, coaches, etc. and anyone else who could more easily coerce them into a sexual situation because of their existing relationship with them or because of their occupying a position of trust.

I'm not sure how many unsuspecting 14 and 15 yr olds are being preyed upon by complete strangers here...and isn't this an issue for PARENTS to solve? How the fuck is your 14 and 15 yr. old getting out there to sleep with some older person anyway?