no worries, I'm sure the libs out there will find some way to down-play this.

OK USA!

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I don't understand you Josh4. Sometimes I think I do, but then you throw a curveball.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r no worries, I'm sure the libs out there will find some way to down-play this.

Gladly.

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"There's no evidence that anything was ever done, no purchase of explosives or even the sending of money," he said. The F.B.I. said in a brief statement that "at this time, we have no indication of any imminent threat to the New York transportation system or anywhere else in the United States." An F.B.I. official in New York declined to comment on the matter. A spokesman for the New York City Police Department said that there had been no recent change in security levels at the tunnel but otherwise declined to comment. As far as the hope of flooding Manhattan, Mr. Schumer noted that the plot could not have worked because the tunnels lie well below ground level. "It makes no sense whatsoever," he said. "They don't seem to be the brightest bulbs in the terrorist lot." The News also quoted security experts who said it was unlikely that even a large bomb could flood the Holland Tunnel, which burrows through bedrock below the Hudson River between New York City and Jersey City.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/n...artner=homepage

Sounds about as well developed and thought out as the "aspirational" Sears Tower plot, actually.

Speaking of which:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8a4z9N3eYc

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Originally posted by Renegade Gladly. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/n...artner=homepage Sounds about as well developed and thought out as the "aspirational" Sears Tower plot, actually.

I understand the libs arguement and the MSM does do a great job of making the CIA look like a bunch of idiots however at what point are they supposed to arrest them?
Are they supposed to wait until 'Jihad-lite' (don't know what else to call them ) are there with their hands on the triggering device(s)?
My arguement here is no different than the recent Florida arrests.
Why don't we wait until we hear ALL the reasons why they were arrested.
Let's not expect the MSM to lay that out for us though...

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Speaking of which: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8a4z9N3eYc

LMAO!
CNN...World leaders in, "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!"
Awesome.

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Originally posted by Temperate I don't understand you Josh4. Sometimes I think I do, but then you throw a curveball.

unfortunately sarcasm and irony are some of the hardest things to convey through text and they make up the majority of my personality. no wait, they pretty much make up all of it.

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Originally posted by Renegade http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/n...artner=homepage Sounds about as well developed and thought out as the "aspirational" Sears Tower plot, actually. Speaking of which: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8a4z9N3eYc

duuuddee, you're going to give occrider an aneurysm if you keep sourcing comedy central like that

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I understand the libs arguement and the MSM does do a great job of making the CIA look like a bunch of idiots however at what point are they supposed to arrest them?

Its a bit of a fine line, but perhaps the purchase of elements of a bomb or a detonator (a phone makes it hard tho), afterall weren't most of them not even in the US? Maybe they could have waited untill they arrived and watched them closely. I'd hate to think I could be arrested for venting frustration and saying I should just blow up the Sydney harbour bridge coz I don't like the way our govt is running the country. There needs to be some sort of obvious intent other than text / talk.

I'm curious, someone in this Administration leaked out this story to the Daily News about this talked about plot, the FBI claims the following:

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Disclosure of the bomb plot coincided with the one-year anniversary of a terrorist bomb attack on London subways and a bus that killed 52 and injured about 700. Authorities said they hadn't intended to release details about the plot this early and that whoever leaked the information had compromised the FBI's relationship with some foreign intelligence services. The person who leaked the details is clearly someone who doesn't understand the fragility of international relations,'' Mershon said. "We've had a number of uncomfortable questions and some upsetment (sic) with these foreign intelligence services that had been working with us on a daily basis.'' http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...KZHEiM&refer=us

Which in case you Bush-lovin/NYTimes-hatin folks, this leak fucking compromised our National Security by fucking up "foreign intelligence services".

That's kind of a big deal.

So the NYTimes supposedly "leaked" out info that I mentioned previously was not much of a leak considering this Administration outlined in similar if not greater detail about SWIFT and the money tracking of terrorist groups and this was BAD, BAD, BAD.....

but leaking out this intelligence about a terrorist plot foiled that actually compromised our national security in a big fucking way is just all hunky dory to the Bush supporters, right?

Hmmm, so leaking out info. that is already on public record by this Administration is bad, but leaking out info. that actually compromises our national security is good.

I guess if it's okay to out a covert CIA agent who's job was WMD proliferation and who was actually working on Iran's WMD nuke capabilities prior to being outed, then anything is just fine with this Administration in compromising our national security.

Sorry for my confusion there. Silly me.

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You don't need to have a masters in quantum hydrodynamics to know that a flooded tunnel will NOT flood above the waterline.

This is why the plot never took out -- yes, it would be SO EASY to do, but it really wouldn't do much except create traffic...

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Originally posted by skot_e Its a bit of a fine line, but perhaps the purchase of elements of a bomb or a detonator (a phone makes it hard tho), afterall weren't most of them not even in the US? Maybe they could have waited untill they arrived and watched them closely. I'd hate to think I could be arrested for venting frustration and saying I should just blow up the Sydney harbour bridge coz I don't like the way our govt is running the country. There needs to be some sort of obvious intent other than text / talk.

I agree.
There's got to be a lot more to this that we're not hearing.
Why waste everyone's time with arresting crackheads (no I'm not calling you a crackhead ) and trying to pull a fast one when they're already behind the 8 ball with the public?
I don't believe they'd be that dumb to try it...but who knows?
Dun, dun, duunnnnnnn...


queue the tin-foil hats...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I agree. There's got to be a lot more to this that we're not hearing. Why waste everyone's time with arresting crackheads (no I'm not calling you a crackhead ) and trying to pull a fast one when they're already behind the 8 ball with the public? I don't believe they'd be that dumb to try it...but who knows? Dun, dun, duunnnnnnn... queue the tin-foil hats...

Well you know my hat's stapled on my head from here to November, but let me pose you a real simple alternative to exposing this story and undermining this investigation that was implicitly demonstrated to hurt our national security:

election year

Not that this Administration has ever politicized terrorism or deliberately exposed national security for its own political gain or anything........

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Well you know my hat's stapled on my head from here to November, but let me pose you a real simple alternative to exposing this story and undermining this investigation that was implicitly demonstrated to hurt our national security: election year Not that this Administration has ever politicized terrorism or deliberately exposed national security for its own political gain or anything........

You forgot to mention that it worked last time!
You really think the boogie-man has that much pull?

I believe if the GOP is going to loose on any front this round, it'll be because of their penchant for spending and for more government; an ironic situation for them but one that can't be overlooked.

As for exposing national security, the government doesn't have to worry about that.
That's the NY Times bread and butter...

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