there was a bigg thread about this a long time ago..but i can't find it. But yeah it involved this clip of how to make this vengeance patch and i think terry baker made a very similar one using vanguard. Well i was wondering how do you make it? I'm very hooked on that patch sound and it would be great if someone could recreate it using some soft synths and share some insight !!
heres the sound sample.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.p...35A0CE1182DA420

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SAW OSCs with LFO detune and filter env..

in the end push the unison detune up / fat knob on vanguard.

bEsT pAtCh EVaR!!!!

i made the orignal thread about this sound. some people insisted it was unison, i insisted it wasnt, i was right. theres no unison turned up at all, and theres no lfo detune. =) i've asked manuel on vengeance forums, its chorus being turned up. chorus with high rate and mid-high depth. the sound that almost sounds like a phaser coming in is a ring modulator.

the alya lead is the closest thing you can get to it i think.. some people posted some versions they made in the old thread, they keys were right on but the sound was pretty different.

eq the alya lead right, get rid of the sub freqs.. vanguard is actually pretty fat you always gotta eq the low end out. and use a compressor to make the delay duck out when you play, and your pretty close.

and no, im not gonna give you guys the patch name because you guys were bitches then and made me find it, and no one was helpfull at all except one person.. i think it was derivitive. i had to email manuel and prove i bought it to get the patch name.. you do it if you want it so bad.

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Last edited by mysticalninja on Jul-28-2006 at 14:31

chorus or unison.. there's not a big difference.. it's almost the same technically. and yes, it works with unison too it's not a hard thing to create.

its pretty hard to create. ive tried reverse engineering this patch a couple times but i can never recreate it perfectly from scratch, never sounds quite right with filter all the way open.. the patch is perfect. you can use unison but it wont be as phat. your wrong btw, its a single saw osc. =)

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single or multiple SAW OSCs is no difference here if you does it right. and btw. i've the patch since a long time in my studio but never used it once

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Originally posted by thecYrus single or multiple SAW OSCs is no difference here if you does it right. and btw. i've the patch since a long time in my studio but never used it once

Don't suppose there is any chance you can post the patch Mr Gut?

I really really like the next patch at the end!!!

o_O testing it out right now..this is harder than i thought.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja eq the alya lead right, get rid of the sub freqs.. vanguard is actually pretty fat you always gotta eq the low end out. and use a compressor to make the delay duck out when you play, and your pretty close.

How would you use the compressor to duck the delay on a synth lead???

I use cubase and have vanguard!

FJ

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Originally posted by thecYrus single or multiple SAW OSCs is no difference here if you does it right. and btw. i've the patch since a long time in my studio but never used it once

Actually, adding another saw makes a big difference. Using a single saw is that makes is what makes it so thick. A second saw gives it a phase that makes it sound weaker. Thank you come again. =)

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How would you use the compressor to duck the delay on a synth lead?

This is the KEY to getting this sound, it's obviously compressed in that sample. Just make sure the compressor is coming after the delay, use a high ratio like 10, pretty high threshold like 18-32, and make up to bring volume back. Now the delay won't bleed into the notes your playing. =)

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Last edited by mysticalninja on Jul-29-2006 at 02:19

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.p...40918FB0576C438

I tried..and i know mine sounds like poo..lol but i was trying i dont know how to make it sound fullerr..and besides its only one sawtooth like you said to try and use mystical.

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