I think that the West will not win against Radical Islam for one reason. They are savage brutes and we are Civilized People.
Now before you go off and accuse me of talking shite about the Radicals. Hear me out.

Iraq is a perfect example. How come the Worlds Greatest Military is basically getting its ass handed to them?? Because we are civilized. These radicals are like dogs that will attack you when your back is turned. They use WWII era equipment and homemade bombs to cripple and destroy any hope for that region to become Civilized. While the West has rules and morals, these Radicals have no regret when they kill babies, children and innocent shop keepers. They have the ignorant belief that their God awaits them in heaven so they have nothing to lose. They use women and children as shields and hide their weapons in places of worship and schools. They are winning by not playing by Civilized Rules.
So what can the West do?? In my Opinion, the only way to have world peace is to not pull out, cause that will just give them more to want, but what must be done is the Total and Complete An destruction of these people and their followers and families. Once they see that the west is as brutal as they are, then they will respect and come to the table as civilized humans. The way both WWs were won was the total destruction of another country and thier people, Germany and Japan, You would think that the West would of learned their lesson with Korea and Vietnam, fighting the guerilla style can only be beat by taking out the guerillas homes and destroying their family's.
I fear that this war will continue as long as we act civilized and allow the Islamic Radicals to continue this.
The West must stop this pussyfooting around with these people and take it to them, Damn the consequences, Kind of like John Travolta said in Sword Fish:

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Someone must bring their war to them. They bomb a church, we bomb 10. They hijack a plane, we take out an airport. They execute American tourist, we tactically nuke an entire city. Our job is to make terrorism so horrific that is becomes unthinkable to attack Americans.

If anyone can show me that the West can co-exist with these Radicals in a free society, please enlighten me. Show me where in the world that Radical Muslims live side by side, Christians, Homo-sexual, Jews and so forth. I want real facts not a Utopian's Pipe Dream.

and before you come at me with" What about the Radical Jews, Christians and Other Religions"? When was the last time one of those sects video taped them sawing the head off an innocent while saying, "GOD IS GREAT!! GOD IS GREAT"

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Originally posted by LazFX Iraq is a perfect example. How come the Worlds Greatest Military is basically getting its ass handed to them??

why do you say our military is getting there asses handed to them?
Oct 1983 Lebanon, we "got our asses handed to us". Tet 1969 Vietnam, we "got our asses handed to us". Oct 1951 Korea, we "got our asses handed to us".

we're not "getting our asses handed to us" today

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Originally posted by Q5echo we're not "getting our asses handed to us" today

When we are supposed to be the protector of the new gov in Iraq and we cannot even stop nor can the US trained military of Iraq stop the crap that is going on now, uh yeah, we are getting are asses handed to us. Would you not agree? If the occupation was a success, then Iraq should be a frigging paradise, but is it??

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Originally posted by LazFX I think that the West will not win against Radical Islam for one reason. They are savage brutes and we are Civilized People. Now before you go off and accuse me of talking shite about the Radicals. Hear me out.

Why? Why should we assume that you have anything smart to say when it only took you two sentances to show that you are in fact completely full of shit.

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Originally posted by LazFX Iraq is a perfect example. How come the Worlds Greatest Military is basically getting its ass handed to them?? Because we are civilized.

Since when are torturing and murdering innocent civilians considered something civilised people would do.

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Originally posted by LazFX These radicals are like dogs that will attack you when your back is turned. They use WWII era equipment and homemade bombs to cripple and destroy any hope for that region to become Civilized. While the West has rules and morals, these Radicals have no regret when they kill babies, children and innocent shop keepers.

I wonder how many babies, children and innocent shopkeeprs were killed by a western bomb, dropped out of a western plane flown by a civilised good moraled western pilot?

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Originally posted by LazFX They have the ignorant belief that their God awaits them in heaven so they have nothing to lose. They use women and children as shields and hide their weapons in places of worship and schools. They are winning by not playing by Civilized Rules.

And the leader of "the greatest country in the world" ( ) would like you to belive that god is actualy on your side becouse god himself told him so. How is that less insane that the bullshit comming from the other side?

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Originally posted by LazFX So what can the West do?? In my Opinion, the only way to have world peace is to not pull out, cause that will just give them more to want, but what must be done is the Total and Complete An destruction of these people and their followers and families. Once they see that the west is as brutal as they are, then they will respect and come to the table as civilized humans.

They alredy know that the US (notice i didnt use the word west here. US is not the whole western hemisphere and not every country is as fucked up as they are) is as brutal as they if not more. Brutality does not bring respect but fear and anger. If you want to have a level discussion with someone pissing them off is not the best way to go at it.

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Originally posted by LazFX The way both WWs were won was the total destruction of another country and thier people, Germany and Japan, You would think that the West would of learned their lesson with Korea and Vietnam, fighting the guerilla style can only be beat by taking out the guerillas homes and destroying their family's.

You need to pick up a history book, you knowledge of it is preety poor as it seems. And i find it amusing that you condemn "terrorists" for targeting civilians yet you propose the same tactit to be used against these people. How can you do that and still claim the moral high ground?

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Originally posted by LazFX I fear that this war will continue as long as we act civilized and allow the Islamic Radicals to continue this.

Its becouse of you acting uncivilised that the war is still going on. For every innocent civilian killed, tortured or held without conviction you get at least few people angry enough (the victims family comes to mind) to want to couse you harm.

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Originally posted by LazFX If anyone can show me that the West can co-exist with these Radicals in a free society, please enlighten me. Show me where in the world that Radical Muslims live side by side, Christians, Homo-sexual, Jews and so forth. I want real facts not a Utopian's Pipe Dream.

Why single out only radical muslims? Do you belive that radical christians would tolerate gays, moderate muslims, jews and so forth?

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Originally posted by LazFX and before you come at me with" What about the Radical Jews, Christians and Other Religions"? When was the last time one of those sects video taped them sawing the head off an innocent while saying, "GOD IS GREAT!! GOD IS GREAT"

When was the last time a country full of christians was invaded and watched their brothers and sisters being killed and/or tortured on a daily basis. Everyone fights back, hell if someone invaded vatican and killed them for no good reason you can rest assured that if one of the invaders was cought the pope himself would be shown on tv beheading that prick while shouting god is great.

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Originally posted by LazFX I think that the West will not win against Radical Islam for one reason. They are savage brutes and we are Civilized People. Now before you go off and accuse me of talking shite about the Radicals. Hear me out.

No, it's not what you said about the Radicals, is your statement as a whole. There's no such unified war of "The West" against "Radical Islam", and neither "Radical Islam" nor your concept of "West" deserve a halo over their heads.

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Originally posted by LazFX If anyone can show me that the West can co-exist with these Radicals in a free society, please enlighten me. Show me where in the world that Radical Muslims live side by side, Christians, Homo-sexual, Jews and so forth. I want real facts not a Utopian's Pipe Dream.

The problem starts when two radicals, or any kind, meet. Radical Muslims, radical Christians, radical homosexuals... the label is the only difference among them.

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Thank you to Moongoose and Lira. I only posted this to make a point and I needed some one with a unbiased opinion against my remarks. Basically I had a discussion with someone (a holy roller bible thumping redneck) that had this attitude. Like most religious zealots, he was speaking like he was so moral. If I would of came here and told you exactly what I needed I would not of got the passion from you both.
I am ashamed of how this country, the US, has handled this whole fuck up that El Busho has got us into. Sadly the Majority of the US thinks this way, look at how they favor racial profiling to weed out terrorists. Makes a mesican want to move to Canada.


p.s. I owe you a coke for your replies....

peace, love and gods
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Originally posted by LazFX Like most religious zealots, he was speaking like he was so moral.

I know what it's like, that's why stuff like this...



... scare me. Radicals are essentially the 2 sides of the same thing.

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Originally posted by LazFX p.s. I owe you a coke for your replies....

Dude, if you ever find out a way of shipping a can of Cherry Coke to Brazil, I'd ship some kind of Brazilian soda back as a payment

(Do you guys have Guarana up there? )

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Originally posted by Lira I know what it's like, that's why stuff like this... ... scare me. Radicals are essentially the 2 sides of the same thing.

Dude that looks like that rednecks wife!! Funny side story I was talking one time about how I think Rachael Ray from Food Network is not as fine as Giada DeLaurentis, another cook on the Channel, he told me I was stupid and had no taste in women, I got written up cause I told him, 'Dude look at your wife! You have no taste' ha ha ha When my supervisor heard this he laughed his ass off, but I still got written up

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Dude, if you ever find out a way of shipping a can of Cherry Coke to Brazil, I'd ship some kind of Brazilian soda back as a payment (Do you guys have Guarana up there? )

there is a store down the road from me here in Austin that has that, don't know if its the same cause it says it Bottled in San Antonio

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Originally posted by LazFX Dude that looks like that rednecks wife!! Funny side story I was talking one time about how I think Rachael Ray from Food Network is not as fine as Giada DeLaurentis, another cook on the Channel, he told me I was stupid and had no taste in women, I got written up cause I told him, 'Dude look at your wife! You have no taste' ha ha ha When my supervisor heard this he laughed his ass off, but I still got written up

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Originally posted by LazFX there is a store down the road from me here in Austin that has that, don't know if its the same cause it says it Bottled in San Antonio

Do thlook like this?



That's the most popular brand.

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Originally posted by Lira (Do you guys have Guarana up there? )

We used to have this soda called Josta that had Guarana in it, but Pepsi discontinued it in '99. There is another guarana soda, Bawls, but I don't really like it.

BTW, has anyone ever tried to MAKE Josta? This website gives a recipe for making it out of Bawls, Pepsi, and Sobe Dragonfruit - http://josta.mervernation.com/how.html. I may have to try this later.

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Originally posted by LazFX I think that the West will not win against Radical Islam for one reason. They are savage brutes and we are Civilized People. Now before you go off and accuse me of talking shite about the Radicals. Hear me out. Iraq is a perfect example. How come the Worlds Greatest Military is basically getting its ass handed to them?? Because we are civilized. These radicals are like dogs that will attack you when your back is turned. They use WWII era equipment and homemade bombs to cripple and destroy any hope for that region to become Civilized. While the West has rules and morals, these Radicals have no regret when they kill babies, children and innocent shop keepers. They have the ignorant belief that their God awaits them in heaven so they have nothing to lose. They use women and children as shields and hide their weapons in places of worship and schools. They are winning by not playing by Civilized Rules. So what can the West do?? In my Opinion, the only way to have world peace is to not pull out, cause that will just give them more to want, but what must be done is the Total and Complete An destruction of these people and their followers and families. Once they see that the west is as brutal as they are, then they will respect and come to the table as civilized humans. The way both WWs were won was the total destruction of another country and thier people, Germany and Japan, You would think that the West would of learned their lesson with Korea and Vietnam, fighting the guerilla style can only be beat by taking out the guerillas homes and destroying their family's. I fear that this war will continue as long as we act civilized and allow the Islamic Radicals to continue this. The West must stop this pussyfooting around with these people and take it to them, Damn the consequences, Kind of like John Travolta said in Sword Fish: If anyone can show me that the West can co-exist with these Radicals in a free society, please enlighten me. Show me where in the world that Radical Muslims live side by side, Christians, Homo-sexual, Jews and so forth. I want real facts not a Utopian's Pipe Dream. and before you come at me with" What about the Radical Jews, Christians and Other Religions"? When was the last time one of those sects video taped them sawing the head off an innocent while saying, "GOD IS GREAT!! GOD IS GREAT"

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LOL !!! extremely educated remarks !

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