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Originally posted by Renegade I know JP2 wasn't always a beacon of enlightenment either, but I don't think he came up with as much quackery in his entire reign as pope as Benny has in the past 3 weeks. What do Catholics make of all this?

Yeah I am what you'd call a Catholic who really isn't a Catholic but is because his parents, esp his mom, makes him go to Church. Anyways, I am not happy with this new pope and just as George W. Bush has done with our country, the Pope is regressing the church back 50+ years, and instead of progress, he's going back to the days where the Church went after people they thought were witches or heretics...basically anyone who wasn't Catholic or Christian. What next...mass in latin again? Burning people at the stake? I don't see what is wrong with believing in evolution and believing in God, and I had always thought that the Church after Vatican II was getting more involved with science and I remember Pope John Paul II saying that there is no problem with believing in Evolution. The Church cannot seriously be jumping on the Intelligent Design bandwagon...I thought that debate was fading away...

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Yeah I am what you'd call a Catholic who really isn't a Catholic but is because his parents, esp his mom, makes him go to Church. Anyways, I am not happy with this new pope and just as George W. Bush has done with our country, the Pope is regressing the church back 50+ years, and instead of progress, he's going back to the days where the Church went after people they thought were witches or heretics...basically anyone who wasn't Catholic or Christian. What next...mass in latin again? Burning people at the stake? I don't see what is wrong with believing in evolution and believing in God, and I had always thought that the Church after Vatican II was getting more involved with science and I remember Pope John Paul II saying that there is no problem with believing in Evolution. The Church cannot seriously be jumping on the Intelligent Design bandwagon...I thought that debate was fading away...

For the position of the Pope being the mouthpiece of God, he sure changes his mind a lot.

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Like most organised religion, the Pope is a fucking joke

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy For the position of the Pope being the mouthpiece of God, he sure changes his mind a lot.

Exactly, I don't think the Pope is the mouth-piece of God but the mouth-piece for the Church, no different than a politician really...

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Originally posted by tathi Like most organised religion, the Pope is a fucking joke

I am upset with you stating that the Holy Father is a Joke!!! I spit on your haircut!! lol

And he just keeps them coming.

12th September:

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Using the words, "jihad" and "holy war", the Pope quoted criticisms of the prophet Mohammed by a 14th century Byzantine Christian emperor, Manuel II, during a debate with a learned Persian. "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached," Benedict quoted the emperor as saying.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/st...318-663,00.html

Just doing his bit for Islamo-Christian relations I guess.

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Originally posted by Renegade And he just keeps them coming. 12th September: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/st...318-663,00.html Just doing his bit for Islamo-Christian relations I guess.

Wow.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Exactly, I don't think the Pope is the mouth-piece of God but the mouth-piece for the Church, no different than a politician really...

Most of us RCs know the difference between our religion and the Vatican. That said, the Vatican would claim that due to Jesus saying to Peter "whatever you hold true on earth I will hold true in heaven" makes the pope capable of creating devine law. Personally, I think it's safe to say that this was an addition to the gospel meant to solidify the church's authority as opposed to something that was actually spoken by Jesus as allowing a human to obligate God to do anything would stand in stark contradiction to much of Jesus' ministry which often highlighted that God was beyond the understanding of man and that which even the most enlightened man would do is not always consistant with God's will.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

the current pope sucks.

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his insulation permits unwise wordchoices or insensititve quotes such as the quoting of the previous pope (see the islam comments)

his refusal to issue an apology for his quote. he only apologizes for the results of furor, which nbow has resulted in attacks on christians and churches. he's not a man and not worthy of being a leader of the largest religous organization on earth.

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Last edited by Spacey Orange on Sep-17-2006 at 20:25

He's making John-Paul II look like a saint.

i still think its funny though- the pope was talking about islam and violence and their historical relationship, and to protest this the muslims burn down churches.

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