I can't think of any other institute that reflects the social disparity gap more than in American Universities.

The prices down there are insane compared to our Canadian Universities.

This is probably one of my most left-leaning positions I have; I believe everyone should have equal access to education, unless of course, one is going to specialize in a particular field. Then a cost association would probably be prudent.

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I study at UBC, in vancouver and we get tons of people from seattle and Washington state in general because its like 3 times cheaper here, and thats paying international fees which are abt 3 times as much as canadian citizens pay. Take into account that UBC is ranked amongst the 50 best universities in the world. I have no idea why the universities down in the states charge as much but its a tad ridiculous. Price was one of the things that made me not go to the states for studying.

I belive that lately the states is suffering from a bit contradiction between their goals and how they achieve them. This is just one more example. Not only are the prices prohibitory the environment in universities in the states is too charged not to mention in the cities. Too much tension floating around. That was the other reason why i decided to go to canada and not the states for studying.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

I disagree with the article regarding social inequality in American universities. The author has to understand that colleges are a business. To keep that business running they have to keep their standards and prices high in order to keep the lazy people out.

To elaborate, I don't think it's a matter of diversity, but rather a survival of the smartest. It's plain and simple white people try harder to succeed at school than blacksor hispanics. This is why they have better acceptance rates at these elitist universities than the minority races and this is coming from a Latino (or Hispanic, take your pick).

My high school (maynard evans) is a great example. It is an an F-graded school (link) with pitiful FCAT scores (link). The high school is 80% black (link) and has not improved whatsoever. 15 years ago that same high school was made up of mostly white people and used to be the number 1 school in the district or county. Unfortunately those are the only statistics I don't have, but by word of mouth from teachers who taught at my high school before I was even conceived this is how I know this.

At first I thought this was just a coincedence, but upon examination of another high school in my district who are also predominantly black they too suffered from the same low standards of academia.

I wish I could compare every high school to determine if certain races like to study more than other races, but that seems to be the trend where I live so to say that one race is given a free ride over the other sounds like a justification for students with poor grades to be allowed at these prestigious universities. There's a reason for the inequality in American universities, but it isn't race, it's intelligence.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 I disagree with the article regarding social inequality in American universities. The author has to understand that colleges are a business. To keep that business running they have to keep their standards and prices high in order to keep the lazy people out.

did you even read that article? it said that it is anything but. it said they usher in those "elites" regardless of academic merit. also, just goes to show why some things shouldnt be "a business"

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 To elaborate, I don't think it's a matter of diversity, but rather a survival of the smartest. It's plain and simple white people try harder to succeed at school than blacksor hispanics. This is why they have better acceptance rates at these elitist universities than the minority races and this is coming from a Latino (or Hispanic, take your pick). My high school (maynard evans) is a great example. It is an an F-graded school (link) with pitiful FCAT scores (link). The high school is 80% black (link) and has not improved whatsoever. 15 years ago that same high school was made up of mostly white people and used to be the number 1 school in the district or county. Unfortunately those are the only statistics I don't have, but by word of mouth from teachers who taught at my high school before I was even conceived this is how I know this. At first I thought this was just a coincedence, but upon examination of another high school in my district who are also predominantly black they too suffered from the same low standards of academia. I wish I could compare every high school to determine if certain races like to study more than other races, but that seems to be the trend where I live so to say that one race is given a free ride over the other sounds like a justification for students with poor grades to be allowed at these prestigious universities. There's a reason for the inequality in American universities, but it isn't race, it's intelligence.

yeah, no worries adolf

even though we have our share of problems, id like to sing the praises of australia's higher education. if you want an education you really only need to get the grades. you pay back part of the cost of uni when you get a job and earn a certain amount of money. not perfect, but far better than the million dollar degrees you get in the states.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 I disagree with the article regarding social inequality in American universities. The author has to understand that colleges are a business. To keep that business running they have to keep their standards and prices high in order to keep the lazy people out. To elaborate, I don't think it's a matter of diversity, but rather a survival of the smartest. It's plain and simple white people try harder to succeed at school than blacksor hispanics. This is why they have better acceptance rates at these elitist universities than the minority races and this is coming from a Latino (or Hispanic, take your pick). My high school (maynard evans) is a great example. It is an an F-graded school (link) with pitiful FCAT scores (link). The high school is 80% black (link) and has not improved whatsoever. 15 years ago that same high school was made up of mostly white people and used to be the number 1 school in the district or county. Unfortunately those are the only statistics I don't have, but by word of mouth from teachers who taught at my high school before I was even conceived this is how I know this. At first I thought this was just a coincedence, but upon examination of another high school in my district who are also predominantly black they too suffered from the same low standards of academia. I wish I could compare every high school to determine if certain races like to study more than other races, but that seems to be the trend where I live so to say that one race is given a free ride over the other sounds like a justification for students with poor grades to be allowed at these prestigious universities. There's a reason for the inequality in American universities, but it isn't race, it's intelligence.

Hehe... 8years ago my school was one of the best in the state. Was 90% something white. Now its about 95% black and it was under suspension about to lose its accreditation

coincidence? I think so.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN did you even read that article? it said that it is anything but. it said they usher in those "elites" regardless of academic merit. also, just goes to show why some things shouldnt be "a business"

Yes and I have to say I read it too fast. The actual point of the article talks about how people of privilege with an ivy league, famous past, etc. are chosen over those without that advantage. I was confused about his definition of social inequality. He used the word class and I immediately thought race. But he was talking about different types of social classes. For example rich vs. poor, legacy vs. non-legacy, students whose parents work for the university vs. those who don't, celebrity vs. non-celebrity, and so forth. Even though I went off topic I still stand 100% by what I said so consider it a rant.

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yeah, no worries adolf

*waves magic wand and cues Q5echo's thread about logical fallacies*
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=368850

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even though we have our share of problems, id like to sing the praises of australia's higher education. if you want an education you really only need to get the grades. you pay back part of the cost of uni when you get a job and earn a certain amount of money. not perfect, but far better than the million dollar degrees you get in the states.

This is quite the exaggeration. The same system applies here. If you make the grade, you get to go to college. Whether you pay a million or nothing for your education is of no consequence since any highly accredited degree that you earn in the U.S. is universally recognized. The same goes for some European universities such as Oxford. Try getting the same degree in any country in South America or Africa and see if you get the same recognition.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 This is quite the exaggeration. The same system applies here. If you make the grade, you get to go to college. Whether you pay a million or nothing for your education is of no consequence since any highly accredited degree that you earn in the U.S. is universally recognized. The same goes for some European universities such as Oxford. Try getting the same degree in any country in South America or Africa and see if you get the same recognition.

not an exaggeration at all. firstly, our degrees are far far cheaper. secondly, we dont have ivy league mummies and daddies ensuring our entry over more-deserving applicants.

international accreditation is totally irrelevant to this discussion. as is the state of higher education in less developed areas of the world.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 I disagree with the article regarding social inequality in American universities. The author has to understand that colleges are a business. To keep that business running they have to keep their standards and prices high in order to keep the lazy people out. To elaborate, I don't think it's a matter of diversity, but rather a survival of the smartest. It's plain and simple white people try harder to succeed at school than blacksor hispanics. This is why they have better acceptance rates at these elitist universities than the minority races and this is coming from a Latino (or Hispanic, take your pick). My high school (maynard evans) is a great example. It is an an F-graded school (link) with pitiful FCAT scores (link). The high school is 80% black (link) and has not improved whatsoever. 15 years ago that same high school was made up of mostly white people and used to be the number 1 school in the district or county. Unfortunately those are the only statistics I don't have, but by word of mouth from teachers who taught at my high school before I was even conceived this is how I know this. At first I thought this was just a coincedence, but upon examination of another high school in my district who are also predominantly black they too suffered from the same low standards of academia. I wish I could compare every high school to determine if certain races like to study more than other races, but that seems to be the trend where I live so to say that one race is given a free ride over the other sounds like a justification for students with poor grades to be allowed at these prestigious universities. There's a reason for the inequality in American universities, but it isn't race, it's intelligence.

Wow.
Just wow...

I don't even know where to start with you...

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN not an exaggeration at all. firstly, our degrees are far far cheaper. secondly, we dont have ivy league mummies and daddies ensuring our entry over more-deserving applicants. international accreditation is totally irrelevant to this discussion. as is the state of higher education in less developed areas of the world.

You're so damn politically correct! Yes your degrees are cheaper than ours and also yes to the latter statement. I'm just referring to regular joes like me to whom none of that stuff applies to. Ah well, in either case, point well taken pkc.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Wow. Just wow... I don't even know where to start with you...

It's just a demographic trend and off topic to the article at hand, don't get all worked up.

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 You're so damn politically correct! Yes your degrees are cheaper than ours and also yes to the latter statement. I'm just referring to regular joes like me to whom none of that stuff applies to. Ah well, in either case, point well taken pkc. It's just a demographic trend and off topic to the article at hand, don't get all worked up.

It may be a 'trend' but the correlation and what you're hinting at doesn't hold water.
There is nothing out there proving white people are smarter.
eod.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r It may be a 'trend' but the correlation and what you're hinting at doesn't hold water. There is nothing out there proving white people are smarter. eod.

I think my "survival of the smartest" comment might have led you to taking my point out of context. I do agree with you that the human body has an innate ability to sponge off a finite amount of intellectual capacity regardless of race, after all, we only use a small percantage of our brains. My point is that from a demographic standpoint certain races are more willing to use that intellectual capacity than others for some reason. This is when I branched off topic to a statement the author made about social inequality which I myself have taken out of context, hence the whole squabble with pkc.