Well I have to say is that Russian women are pretty damn hot. too bad this SOB is unfaithful. Why is it that men are never faithful. They are always the ones responsible for cheating or at least most of the times. I read a statistic that said 90% of all married men , in the US,cheat on their wifes. That is ridiculous. I would like to know what that % is in the US for women.

But in any case; it is wrong to cheat on someone you are suppose to love.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Well I have to say is that Russian women are pretty damn hot. too bad this SOB is unfaithful. Why is it that men are never faithful. They are always the ones responsible for cheating or at least most of the times. I read a statistic that said 90% of all married men , in the US,cheat on their wifes. That is ridiculous. I would like to know what that % is in the US for women. But in any case; it is wrong to cheat on someone you are suppose to love.

Its in our genes to cheat and many men cant keep their dick in pants ...

Think of it. Most of us men are here today because our ancestors managed to fuck more women than non-cheating men (these "good" men didnt reproduce as much, and are a small force). And their cheating psyche and thinking is passed on in genes, pretty simple IMO.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Its in our genes to cheat and many men cant keep their dick in pants ... Think of it. Most of us men are here today because our ancestors managed to fuck more women than non-cheating men (these "good" men didnt reproduce as much, and are a small force). And their cheating psyche and thinking is passed on in genes, pretty simple IMO.

What a load of crap. I would have to say it's society. Come on I don't always think of fucking every women just because its in my "nature" to cheat. That isn't true.

We have changed from what we use to be.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid What a load of crap. I would have to say it's society. Come on I don't always think of fucking every women just because its in my "nature" to cheat. That isn't true. We have changed from what we use to be.

That was results of a very good study. HEY, animals cheat too! Most birds have been found to have at least 30 percent of eggs thanks to sex on the side! Its natural, its happening all over nature. I saw a full documentary on Discovery channel couple years ago.

In it there was a spotlight on one man, who had a perfect job, a perfect wife and good family, and not short of sex or anything like that. At work he caught his eye on a sexy co-worker, and started a sexual relationship that nearly lost him his wife and family. Luckily for his he dumped the cheating lifestyle, got his head together and got his life back. Its a long story, but it all makes sense.

Cheating is a way to best reproduce yourself, to spread your genes ... a fight for survival. The more women you impregnate, the better your genes spread. And so does your characteristics ... its simple.

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Sperm Wars by Robin Baker

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Synopsis Robin Baker puts forward the thesis that evolution has programmed men to conquer and monopolise women while women, without even knowing they are doing it, seek the best genetic input on offer from potential sexual partners. Facts of life presented include: 10 per cent of children are not fathered by their "fathers", less than 1 per cent off a man's sperm is capable of fertilizing anything - the rest is there to fight off other men's sperm, "smart" vaginal mucus encourages some sperm but blocks others, and a woman is far more likely to conceive through a casual fling than through sex with her regular partner. Baker describes fictionalized scences and then explains the science behind the actions to demonstrate how our everyday behaviour fits into a pattern of evolution.

I have to agree with MGS. We're more than just animals and have the ability to control our sexual/other urges/desires. Ofcourse, modren culture/social setup makes it really hard to do that. It's the blatant sexual objectification of women in virtually all forms of media/entertainment that's largely the cause for this, which is another example of easy sell/money and male dominance/lack of respect for women. Although, most young women do enjoy the attention (yet at the same time complain about being viewed as "meat" by men) and are conditioned by womens magazines, fasion, the media, and society etc to confrom to these standards of exposing a whole lot to attract attention. What kind of attention do they expect to attract from the vast majoirty of men (not all), given these social dynamics? Most of them evaluate their self worth (primarily, and in many cases, almost entirely) based on their sexual appeal, wheather conciously or subconciously. It's a social construct of a "liberal"/"sexually liberated" society. And business (in the relevant industires ofcourse) makes tons of money manipulating women, making them feel worthless if they don't look a certain way, and encouraging this sort of thinking. Advertisment extensively uses female sexuality to sell products.

Just my 2 cents.

EDIT: Ofcourse, societies that don't fit this model we label as "repressed," like it's such a negative thing for people to not cheat, have stable families/marriages/relationships, and the emotional stability/security/grounding it provides kids living/growing up with both parents under one roof (even the parents themselves).

EDIT2: Although I'm not trying to discredit theories/studies explaining why this is the case (i.e. men cheating alot, seeking sexual conquest etc), especially form an evolutionary point of view. But at the same time I believe human beings are capable of not reducing (ceratin aspects) of their behaviour/life style to primitive animalistic functions.

EDIT3: Promiscuity/premarital sex has alot to do with this in my opinion. It's kind of hard to expect people, espeically men, to completely abandon a behaviour pattern (that they are quite fond of) after 30 years of so or their entire life experience and completely turning around once they're married (i.e. have a single sex partner). I'm sorry, but I don't think it's practical or a realistic expectation.

EDIT4: I guess I should mention that I find using such studies as rationilzations for cheating quite pathetic.

EDIT5: Don't worry, I generally don't voice my opinion on this subject, since most people would think you're a freak, and don't like the implications of it. But the topic was brought up, so I'm expecting a (fairly) negative response.

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That's alot of edits, but I guess necessary to explain what I meant .

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Alright. I;d like to add for my points that its pretty lame for men to blame women for seducing them and then they had sex and etc. Its their own fault for not being able to exercise control over themselves.

No need to blame the media, the media doesnt tell you or give you and justification to go on and ruin people's lives. Media/TV makes it bucks doing all kinds of ludicrous and dumb things, but it doesnt mean that, for example, if you buy a Vice City game or whatever, that you can go around and shoot people. Use your head, and whats better, get rid of that fucking TV. I haven't watched television in over a year, I feel so much smarter - there are so many other more useful things to do with life. Its a drug, it degrades your thinking, your memory ... just think of the hours of time wasted glued to that screen ... the damage done to your thinking by just sitting there and getting retarded ... damaged to the vision, etc.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Alright. I;d like to add for my points that its pretty lame for men to blame women for seducing them and then they had sex and etc. Its their own fault for not being able to exercise control over themselves.

I'm not blaming women here, bub. I'm blaming a system that exploits them and bring out the worst in men (as far as it's affects on how the vast majority of them view/use women). You're contradicting yourself here, first you say sexual conquest and cheating are a part of mens' "nature," in fact you go as far as to say it's "in our genes," which I'm saying is a result of this expoitive system (hence it becomes prevelant "natural" behaviour), overwhelmingly dominated and controlled by men. Then you twist that around and put words in my mouth by saying I'm somehow blaming women. Absolute rubbish.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium No need to blame the media, the media doesnt tell you or give you and justification to go on and ruin people's lives. Media/TV makes it bucks doing all kinds of ludicrous and dumb things, but it doesnt mean that, for example, if you buy a Vice City game or whatever, that you can go around and shoot people. Use your head, and whats better, get rid of that fucking TV. I haven't watched television in over a year, I feel so much smarter - there are so many other more useful things to do with life. Its a drug, it degrades your thinking, your memory ... just think of the hours of time wasted glued to that screen ... the damage done to your thinking by just sitting there and getting retarded ... damaged to the vision, etc.

For your information, I don't really watch TV, not particularly for this reason, but because it's adverse effects on the intellect, and the fact that I don't find it entertaining or intellectualy stimulating (for the most part). So we're in agreement on the intellectualy degenerative effects of television (a result of the type of programming). Second, the "violence" analogy is a very poor one. Seeing violence (especially with context) doesn't make one want to actually engage in real life violence (unless you're somewhat mentally unstable to being with). Constant exposure to sex/sexual material, on the other hand, does give you quite a quite a bit incentive to engage in or want more sex (not necessarily the act itself, but activities/enviornments/interactions with sexual overtones, heavy or subtle, which leads to more sex).

EDIT: Formatting and a few minor additions.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm not blaming women here, bub. I'm blaming a system that exploits them and bring out the worst in men (as far as it's affects on how the vast majority of them view/use women). You're contradicting yourself here, first you say sexual conquest and cheating are a part of mens' "nature," which I'm saying is a result of this expoitive system (hence it becomes prevelant "natural" behaviour), overwhelmingly dominated and controlled by men. And then you twist that around and put words in my mouth by saying I'm somehow blaming women. Utter nonsense. For your information, I don't really watch TV, not particularly for this reason, but because it's adverse effects on the intellect, and the fact that I don't find it entertaining or intellectualy stimulating (for the most part). So we're in agreement on the intellectualy degenerative effects of television (a result of the type of programming). Second, the "violence" analogy is a very poor one. Seeing violence (especially with context) doesn't make one want to actually engage in real life violence (unless you're somewhat mentally unstable to being with). Constant exposure to sex/sexual material, on the other hand, does give you quite a quite a bit incentive to engage in or want more sex (not necessarily the act itself, but activities/enviornments/interactions with sexual tones, heavy or subtle, which leads to more sex).

I wasnt arguing your point, bud. I just added to my point, as I stated ;-) Yes, men are often portrayed as bad, as seen in cartoons like Family Guy, Simpsons, shows like Third Rock From the Sun, etc.

I said it is in nature to cheat, and many men cant control themselves, and blame women for seducing them.

I wasnt arguing, I just read your post and added some pointers to my post ;-)

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I wasnt arguing your point, bud. I just added to my point, as I stated ;-) Yes, men are often portrayed as bad, as seen in cartoons like Family Guy, Simpsons, shows like Third Rock From the Sun, etc. I said it is in nature to cheat, and many men cant control themselves, and blame women for seducing them. I wasnt arguing, I just read your post and added some pointers to my post ;-)

My bad for misinterpreting that, it's late, and I'm still studying for my test (in a half assed way, like posting here and studying ).

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller