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shaolin_Z
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U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

02/28/06 Zogby

* Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay “as long as they are needed”
* While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy
* Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown
* Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
* Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation
* Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment

An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and nearly one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

The poll, conducted in conjunction with Le Moyne College’s Center for Peace and Global Studies, showed that 29% of the respondents, serving in various branches of the armed forces, said the U.S. should leave Iraq “immediately,” while another 22% said they should leave in the next six months. Another 21% said troops should be out between six and 12 months, while 23% said they should stay “as long as they are needed.”

Different branches had quite different sentiments on the question, the poll shows. While 89% of reserves and 82% of those in the National Guard said the U.S. should leave Iraq within a year, 58% of Marines think so. Seven in ten of those in the regular Army thought the U.S. should leave Iraq in the next year. Moreover, about three-quarters of those in National Guard and Reserve units favor withdrawal within six months, just 15% of Marines felt that way. About half of those in the regular Army favored withdrawal from Iraq in the next six months.

The troops have drawn different conclusions about fellow citizens back home. Asked why they think some Americans favor rapid U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, 37% of troops serving there said those Americans are unpatriotic, while 20% believe people back home don’t believe a continued occupation will work. Another 16% said they believe those favoring a quick withdrawal do so because they oppose the use of the military in a pre-emptive war, while 15% said they do not believe those Americans understand the need for the U.S. troops in Iraq.

The wide-ranging poll also shows that 58% of those serving in country say the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42% said it is either somewhat or very unclear to them, that they have no understanding of it at all, or are unsure. While 85% said the U.S. mission is mainly “to retaliate for Saddam’s role in the 9-11 attacks,” 77% said they also believe the main or a major reason for the war was “to stop Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq.”

“Ninety-three percent said that removing weapons of mass destruction is not a reason for U.S. troops being there,” said Pollster John Zogby, President and CEO of Zogby International. “Instead, that initial rationale went by the wayside and, in the minds of 68% of the troops, the real mission became to remove Saddam Hussein.” Just 24% said that “establishing a democracy that can be a model for the Arab World" was the main or a major reason for the war. Only small percentages see the mission there as securing oil supplies (11%) or to provide long-term bases for US troops in the region (6%).

The continuing insurgent attacks have not turned U.S. troops against the Iraqi population, the survey shows. More than 80% said they did not hold a negative view of Iraqis because of those attacks. About two in five see the insurgency as being comprised of discontented Sunnis with very few non-Iraqi helpers. “There appears to be confusion on this,” Zogby said. But, he noted, less than a third think that if non-Iraqi terrorists could be prevented from crossing the border into Iraq, the insurgency would end. A majority of troops (53%) said the U.S. should double both the number of troops and bombing missions in order to control the insurgency.

The survey shows that most U.S. military personnel in-country have a clear sense of right and wrong when it comes to using banned weapons against the enemy, and in interrogation of prisoners. Four in five said they oppose the use of such internationally banned weapons as napalm and white phosphorous. And, even as more photos of prisoner abuse in Iraq surface around the world, 55% said it is not appropriate or standard military conduct to use harsh and threatening methods against insurgent prisoners in order to gain information of military value.

Three quarters of the troops had served multiple tours and had a longer exposure to the conflict: 26% were on their first tour of duty, 45% were on their second tour, and 29% were in Iraq for a third time or more.

A majority of the troops serving in Iraq said they were satisfied with the war provisions from Washington. Just 30% of troops said they think the Department of Defense has failed to provide adequate troop protections, such as body armor, munitions, and armor plating for vehicles like HumVees. Only 35% said basic civil infrastructure in Iraq, including roads, electricity, water service, and health care, has not improved over the past year. Three of every four were male respondents, with 63% under the age of 30.

The survey included 944 military respondents interviewed at several undisclosed locations throughout Iraq. The names of the specific locations and specific personnel who conducted the survey are being withheld for security purposes. Surveys were conducted face-to-face using random sampling techniques. The margin of error for the survey, conducted Jan. 18 through Feb. 14, 2006, is +/- 3.3 percentage points.


Source: Information Clearing House (Original Source: Zobgy)


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So basically we've got a small minority of neocons, racists, and ignorant dumbasses who support this act of agression and conquest, regardless of whether your a civilian or a soldier. All this death and destruction to appease an insane minority. Well, it's a little too late now. The neo-con agenda has already been implemented and we have a pro-neocon puppet regime in Iraq now, not to mention a definite increase in the threat of terrorism, a very uncontitutional expansion of the executive branch's power, and a serious problem with checks and balances (or more like none whatsoever).


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Shaolin, I like what you are saying here, I am all with it.

I have to be honest with you, I dont know for how long I'll be a regular on this forum, I feel like my ideas dont belong here ... all the alien/conspiracies stuff makes most people around here including you losing credibility for my posts. I feel like its a complete waste of time, time that my fellow politically-motivated friends in real world need to share ideas with me. I think I should just stick to my conspiracy forums ... here other than few people I notice its completely pointless and a big waste of time. I got school, work, friends and other forums to attend to ;-|


Thanks for your support and I'll be sure to check back once in a while, I dont think there's any point for me in posting regularly.


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shaolin_Z
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^^ I don't really have a problem with what you choose to believe man. I may find some of it to be quite bizarre, but I choose not to be judgmental, or at least not ridicule someone for it. But most people aren't like that, and how they respond to certain subjects shouldn't come as a surprise. Sorry if I gave you that impression though, I certainly wasn't trying to .

EDIT: Remember, extrordinary claims require extrodinary edivence. Everyone has a subjective definition of extrordinary. Just because your doesn't conform with most people's shouldn't reduce your confidence in your own .


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US troops are pussies, if they would have been wining this war... 72% would have said lets continue.. (or maybe spread this to Iran). But the fact remians that they are defeated and want to run now.

Talk about shrugging responsibilities and being cowards.. they better publically apologise for infiltrating into Iraq at first place and acknowledge their defeat to save face in future.


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^ whats the problem in admitting defeat would you want to die? I dont see you volunteering to go to IRAQ they took an oath to abide by our president it didnt mean they want to go to Iraq


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US troops are pussies, if they would have been wining this war... 72% would have said lets continue.. (or maybe spread this to Iran). But the fact remians that they are defeated and want to run now.

Talk about shrugging responsibilities and being cowards.. they better publically apologise for infiltrating into Iraq at first place and acknowledge their defeat to save face in future.

I thought you were against the war. Shouldn't you be thrilled about this? Would you prefer that they stay until either they've killed all the enemy or the enemy has killed all of them? I hate to break it to you, but at the rate they're going over there and the proportions of loss, there would be no more Iraqis left in the country before all of the US forces were defeated. If that's not what you want to happen, I'd suggest shutting up about how the Americans are pussies. And to think that you called me heartless in the "What to do about North Korea" thread.

Oh wait, America did something/said something, obvioulsy you're opposed to it.


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star-traveller
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Too bad that we won't know the real reasons of this war has started.

I would be curious to know it....

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