I watched the signing before I left for work yesterday. It made me sad. I don't really have apathy, but more frustration with both my government and a good portion of the people in this country.

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

HOW IS THIS NOT GETTING MORE ATTENTION IN HERE?>

WTF WTF WTF.


I lurk in here a bit and this should be a zillion pages long by not. WTF

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Fortuna Favet Fortibus.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations HOW IS THIS NOT GETTING MORE ATTENTION IN HERE?> WTF WTF WTF. I lurk in here a bit and this should be a zillion pages long by not. WTF

It's been beaten into the ground already and there aren't that many people who come in here in the first place.

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

I'll tell ya why PEOPLE DON'T CARE/KNOW to give a shit .

Not the reply your looking for? ask any neocon what they think, hint--- "they are only looking out for the US..."

The USA has become "land of the sheep" , anybody care to dispute this? No? The so-called Republicans still haven't faced the fact that whats running the country isn't a "Republican"

-wikipedia.
Republicans have a strong belief in personal responsibility, limited government.

Funny how where the country is now isn't anything "Republican".

HOMELAND SECURITY.... the biggest pile of crap ever laidout AND taken in by the USA people. So much for smaller gov. NO?

FOX NEWS says its best for the country thus the sheep buy into it.

You should see how my visits to a buddy whos older brother belives EVERYTHING that BUSH says.Ever do any reading into the British Airplane Terrorist Arrest?? No ?
START HERE:Binary liquid explosives
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/0...labs/print.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...2306994,00.html
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/08/
I'll let you in- it was bullshit!
As posted on many forums! proven by anybody with 1st yr collage chem. The English press got many chemist/labs to attempt the so-called plan and cameback saying yes its possible but VERY UNLIKELY! it would take hrs to do under lab.condtions and what the fuck do you say to the people about the smell? how do you control the temps? how do you dry the crystals? how do you telll the people onboard that the smell/fumes is normal, in short it was bullshit,.


The country is going down and anybody whos thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.I can't even begin on where to start,
and yet the neocons here will tell ya its in for our own good.

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Originally posted by Allied Nations HOW IS THIS NOT GETTING MORE ATTENTION IN HERE?> WTF WTF WTF. I lurk in here a bit and this should be a zillion pages long by not. WTF

Your title is too obscure/moveon.org-ish. Should be something simplistic like, "Bush signs bill eliminating Habeas Corpus and allows him to indefinitly hold people without charge".

Whatever the magna carta/constitution/bill of rights is so pre 9/11.

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^^^ Here:
The day America died and Dictatorship was born: Habeas Corpus, R.I.P. (1215 - 2006)

I brought this up a few weeks ago. Just take a look at the responses. Very disappointing to say the least.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by occrider Whatever the magna carta/constitution/bill of rights is so pre 9/11.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

FYI the bill's definition for enemy combatant:


(1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT- (A) The term `unlawful enemy combatant' means an individual determined by or under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense--

`(i) to be part of or affiliated with a force or organization (including al Qaeda, the Taliban, any international terrorist organization, or associated forces) that is engaged in hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents in violation of the law of war;

`(ii) to have committed a hostile act in aid of such a force or organization so engaged; or

`(iii) to have supported hostilities in aid of such a force or organization so engaged.


Hmmmm so the President or Secdef have the authority to say you're adiing terrorists and therefore you're an "unlawful enemy combatant"?

Some other gems from the bill:


* Certain sections of the Uniform Code of Military Justice are deemed inapplicable - including some relating to a speedy trial [Sec.948b (d)(1)(A)], compulsory self-incrimination [Sec.948b (d)(1)(B)], and pre-trial investigation [Sec.948b (d)(1)(C)].

* A civilian defense attorney may not be used unless they have clearance to view materials classified Secret. [Sec.949c(b)(3)(D)]

* Based on his findings, the judge may introduce hearsay evidence [Sec.949a(b)(2)(E)(i)], evidence obtained without a search warrant [Sec.949a(b)(2)(B)], evidence obtained when the degree of coercion is disputed [Sec.948r (d)], or classified evidence not made available to the defense [Sec.949d(f)(2)(B)].

* A finding of Guilty requires only a 2/3 majority [Sec.949m(a)]

* No defendant may invoke the Geneva Conventions in legal proceedings on their behalf. [Section 5(a)]

* The President determines “the meaning and application” of the Geneva Conventions banning the torture of prisoners. [Sec.6 (a)(3)(A)]

* The accused may be tried for the same offense a second time “with his consent” [Sec.949h(a)].

* If the military commission returns a finding of Not Guilty, its convening authority is not required to take action on the findings. [Sec.950b(c)(3)]

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

What is wrong with you?

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Originally posted by occrider * A finding of Guilty requires only a 2/3 majority [Sec.949m(a)]

are you kidding me?

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Originally posted by occrider * The accused may be tried for the same offense a second time “with his consent” [Sec.949h(a)].

and here was i thinking us aussies were the first to thumb their nose at double jeopardy

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Originally posted by occrider What is wrong with you?

Phew! You had me all for a second there (and because I wouldn't never expect you of all people here to say that with a serious tone ).

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller