I'm sure the neocon Nazis are jumping with joy rightnow...

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In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep Fri Dec 1, 2006 9:07am ET16 By Bernd Debusmann, Special Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters)- When radio host Jerry Klein suggested that all Muslims in the United States should be identified with a crescent-shape tattoo or a distinctive arm band, the phone lines jammed instantly. The first caller to the station in Washington said that Klein must be "off his rocker." The second congratulated him and added: "Not only do you tattoo them in the middle of their forehead but you ship them out of this country ... they are here to kill us." Another said that tattoos, armbands and other identifying markers such as crescent marks on driver's licenses, passports and birth certificates did not go far enough. "What good is identifying them?" he asked. "You have to set up encampments like during World War Two with the Japanese and Germans." At the end of the one-hour show, rich with arguments on why visual identification of "the threat in our midst" would alleviate the public's fears, Klein revealed that he had staged a hoax. It drew out reactions that are not uncommon in post-9/11 America. "I can't believe any of you are sick enough to have agreed for one second with anything I said," he told his audience on the AM station 630 WMAL (http://www.wmal.com/), which covers Washington, Northern Virginia and Maryland "For me to suggest to tattoo marks on people's bodies, have them wear armbands, put a crescent moon on their driver's license on their passport or birth certificate is disgusting. It's beyond disgusting. "Because basically what you just did was show me how the German people allowed what happened to the Jews to happen ... We need to separate them, we need to tattoo their arms, we need to make them wear the yellow Star of David, we need to put them in concentration camps, we basically just need to kill them all because they are dangerous." The show aired on November 26, the Sunday after the Thanksgiving holiday, and Klein said in an interview afterwards he had been surprised by the response. "The switchboard went from empty to totally jammed within minutes," said Klein. "There were plenty of callers angry with me, but there were plenty who agreed." POLLS SHOW WIDESPREAD ANTI-MUSLIM SENTIMENT Those in agreement are not a fringe minority: A Gallup poll this summer of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent were in favor of requiring Muslims in the United States, including American citizens, to carry special identification. Roughly a quarter of those polled said they would not want to live next door to a Muslim and a third thought that Muslims in the United States sympathized with al Qaeda, the extremist group behind the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington. A poll carried out by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), an advocacy group, found that for one in three Americans, the word Islam triggers negative connotations such as "war," "hatred" and "terrorist." The war in Iraq has contributed to such perceptions. Klein's show followed a week of heated discussions on talk radio, including his own, and online forums over an incident on November 22 involving six Muslim clerics. They were handcuffed and taken off a US Airways flight after passengers reported "suspicious behavior" that included praying in the departure gate area. The clerics, on their way to a meeting of the North American Imams Federation, were detained in a holding cell, questioned by police and FBI agents, and released. Muslim community leaders saw the incident as yet more evidence of anti-Muslim prejudice. IGNORANCE SEEN AS KEY PROBLEM Several American Muslims interviewed on the subject of prejudice over the past few weeks said ignorance was at the core of the problem. "The level of knowledge is very, very low," said Mohamed Esa, a U.S. Muslim of Arab descent who teaches a course on Islam at McDaniel College in Maryland. "There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world and some people think they are all terrorists." Hossam Ahmed, a retired Air Force Reserve colonel who occasionally leads prayer meetings for the small Muslim congregation at the Pentagon, agreed. "Ignorance is the number one problem. Education is of the essence." There are no hard figures on how many Muslims have been subject to harassment or prejudice and community leaders say that ugly incidents can prompt spontaneous expressions of support. Such as the e-mail a Minneapolis woman sent to CAIR after the imams were taken off their flight. "I would like to ... help," the e-mail said. "While I cannot offer plane tickets, I would be happy to drive at least 2 or 3 of them. My car is small, but at least some of our hearts in this land of the free are large." And optimists saw signs of change in the November 4 election of the first Muslim to the U.S. House of Representatives, which has 435 members. Democrat Keith Ellison, a 43-year-old African-American lawyer, did not stress his religion during his campaign for a Minnesota seat, but said his victory would "signal to people who are not Muslims that Muslims have a lot to offer to the United States and the improvement of our country."

Source: Reuters

My initial concern (of a possible lashback) after 9-11 seems to be coming closer and closer to becoming a reality, except alot worse than I had imagined. See you in the gas chambers.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Just to put things in perspective, I posted this earlier here:

Hallibutron Concentration Camps

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I was listening to an interview with ex-CIA analyst for 27 years, Ray McGovern, and he mentioned Halliburton building concentration camps. So I did a google search and came up with a ton of links. Here's a couple: quote: Halliburton Concentration Camps by Debra - repost Saturday, Feb. 04, 2006 at 5:27 PM detention - concentration - you explain the symantics....... Homeland Security To Build Detention Camps In The United States Submitted by rob on Wed, 2006-01-25 04:55 By Business Editors (c) 2006 Business Wire ARLINGTON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 24, 2006--KBR announced today that the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component has awarded KBR an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL). With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. "We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency operations support," said Bruce Stanski, executive vice president, KBR Government and Infrastructure. "We look forward to continuing the good work we have been doing to support our customer whenever and wherever we are needed." The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts. ICE is one of three agencies that make up the Border and Transportation Security (BTS) Directorate of the DHS. The mission of the BTS Directorate is to secure the nation's air, land and sea borders. ICE, the largest investigative arm of the DHS, is responsible for identifying and shutting down vulnerabilities in the nation's border, economic, transportation and infrastructure security. KBR is a global engineering, construction, technology and services company. Whether designing an LNG facility, serving as a defense industry contractor, or providing small capital construction, KBR delivers world-class service and performance. KBR employs more than 60,000 people in 43 countries around the world. Halliburton, founded in 1919, is one of the world's largest providers of products and services to the petroleum and energy industries. The company serves its customers with a broad range of products and services through its Energy Services Group and KBR. Visit the company's World Wide Web site at http://www.halliburton.com. Robwire.com Cleveland Indy Media quote: Deal struck to build immigration jails KBR, feds sign deal for jails Mason Stockstill, Staff Writer San Bernardino County Sun Article Launched: A Houston-based construction firm with ties to the White House has been awarded an open-ended contract to build immigration-detention centers that could total $385 million - a move that some critics called questionable. The contract calls for KBR, a subsidiary of the oil engineering and construction giant Halliburton, to build temporary detention facilities in the event of an "immigration emergency," according to U.S. officials. "If, for example, there were some sort of upheaval in another country that would cause mass migration, that's the type of situation that this contract would address," said Jamie Zuieback of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE. "Essentially, this is a contingency contract." Under the contract awarded by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, KBR could also be assigned to operate one or more temporary detention facility, and develop a plan for responding to a natural disaster in which ICE personnel participate in relief efforts. The contract, which does not specify locations for the detention facilities, is good for one year, with the option for four one-year extensions. The open-ended nature of the contract - described as "indefinite delivery/indefinite quantity" - raises concerns about overcharging and other potential abuse, said Charlie Cray, director of the Washington-based Center for Corporate Policy and a frequent Halliburton critic. The Government Accounting Office has criticized both Halliburton and KBR for cost overruns and inappropriately obtaining government projects under a similar contingency-based program connected to reconstruction work in Iraq, Cray said. The companies' work in Iraq has ranged from providing meals for soldiers to planning for troops to occupy Iraqi oil fields. Halliburton's billions of dollars in revenue from federal contracts - many of them awarded without competitive bidding - have made it a frequent target of critics who accuse the Bush administration of cronyism. Vice President Dick Cheney is a former Halliburton chief executive officer. KBR also has faced allegations that, through subcontractors, it hired numerous illegal immigrants to perform rebuilding work in the Gulf Coast region following Hurricane Katrina and paid them subminimum wages. The company's hiring practices in Iraq have come under scrutiny for the alleged exploitation of foreign workers. But KBR officials said the contract for detention facilities is well-deserved because of the firm's experience in building infrastructure and support networks for U.S. military and law enforcement. KBR's revenues totaled $3 billion in the fourth quarter of 2005, according to company figures released Friday. Halliburton plans to sell part of the subsidiary through an initial public offering in coming months. "We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency-operations support," said Bruce Stanski, KBR's vice president of government and infrastructure, in a statement. There's no guarantee that any work will be performed under the contract; if no immigration emergency or natural disaster occurs, there won't be anything for KBR to do, said company spokeswoman Cathy Mann. However, outside events have prompted large waves of immigration in the past. Political upheaval and changes in immigration policy in nations such as Haiti, Cuba and Rwanda have caused an influx of immigrants and refugees from those countries at different times. Additionally, ICE is planning to increase the capacity of its detention facilities around the country, Zuieback said, particularly after Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff pledged to end the agency's unofficial "catch-and-release" policy for some illegal immigrants. Because ICE's detention facilities are frequently full, there is nowhere to hold illegal immigrants who must have a hearing before they can be deported. This includes most immigrants from nations other than Mexico. In the past, those illegal immigrants have been issued an order to appear for their court date, and then simply released into the United States. The vast majority never show up for the hearings. Although increasing the number of beds available in detention facilities would address the issue, Zuieback said ICE also is working on agreements with several other countries that would allow the expedited deportation of illegal aliens from those nations. These agreements would remove the requirement for a hearing in front of an immigration judge. "Part of the reason why expedited removal is so important is you can create more beds by moving those people out of there faster," she said. Source Hmmm... I guess we should have taken this comment more seriously:

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Ok, even the New York Times reported this, except they put their spin on it to make you guys feel better by adding the word "temporary" quote: February 4, 2006 Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Contract to Add Temporary Immigration Detention Centers By RACHEL L. SWARNS WASHINGTON, Feb. 3 — The Army Corps of Engineers has awarded a contract worth up to $385 million for building temporary immigration detention centers to Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that has been criticized for overcharging the Pentagon for its work in Iraq. KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space, company executives said. KBR, which announced the contract last month, had a similar contract with immigration agencies from 2000 to last year. The contract with the Corps of Engineers runs one year, with four optional one-year extensions. Officials of the corps said that they had solicited bids and that KBR was the lone responder. A spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Jamie Zuieback, said KBR would build the centers only in an emergency like the one when thousands of Cubans floated on rafts to the United States. She emphasized that the centers might never be built if such an emergency did not arise. "It's the type of contract that could be used in some kind of mass migration," Ms. Zuieback said. A spokesman for the corps, Clayton Church, said that the centers could be at unused military sites or temporary structures and that each one would hold up to 5,000 people. "When there's a large influx of people into the United States, how are we going to feed, house and protect them?" Mr. Church asked. "That's why these kinds of contracts are there." Mr. Church said that KBR did not end up creating immigration centers under its previous contract, but that it did build temporary shelters for Hurricane Katrina evacuees. Federal auditors rebuked the company for unsubstantiated billing in its Iraq reconstruction contracts, and it has been criticized because of accusations that Halliburton, led by Dick Cheney before he became vice president, was aided by connections in obtaining contracts. Halliburton executives denied that they charged excessively for the work in Iraq. Mr. Church said concerns about the Iraq contracts did not affect the awarding of the new contract. Representative Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California, who has monitored the company, called the contract worrisome. "With Halliburton's ever expanding track record of overcharging, it's hard to believe that the administration has decided to entrust Halliburton with even more taxpayer dollars," Mr. Waxman said. "With each new contract, the need for real oversight grows." In recent months, the Homeland Security Department has promised to increase bed space in its detention centers to hold thousands of illegal immigrants awaiting deportation. In the first quarter of the 2006 fiscal year, nearly 60 percent of the illegal immigrants apprehended from countries other than Mexico were released on their own recognizance. Domestic security officials have promised to end the releases by increasing the number of detention beds. Last week, domestic security officials announced that they would expand detaining and swiftly deporting illegal immigrants to include those seized near the Canadian border. Advocates for immigrants said they feared that the new contract was another indication that the government planned to expand the detention of illegal immigrants, including those seeking asylum. "It's pretty obvious that the intent of the government is to detain more and more people and to expedite their removal," said Cheryl Little, executive director of the Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center in Miami. Ms. Zuieback said the KBR contract was not intended for that. "It's not part of any day-to-day enforcement," she said. She added that she could not provide additional information about the company's statement that the contract was also meant to support the rapid development of new programs. Halliburton executives, who announced the contract last week, said they were pleased. "We are especially gratified to be awarded this contract," an executive vice president, Bruce Stanski, said in a statement, "because it builds on our extremely strong track record in the arena of emergency management support." Source: NYTimes

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

BTW, Military Commisions Act of 2006 = Enabling Act. For those of you who don't know what that is, it's the legislation passed that gave the Nazi party dictorial powers.

And a little bit on the Military Commisions Act of 2006:

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Originally posted by occrider FYI the bill's definition for enemy combatant: (1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT- (A) The term `unlawful enemy combatant' means an individual determined by or under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense-- `(i) to be part of or affiliated with a force or organization (including al Qaeda, the Taliban, any international terrorist organization, or associated forces) that is engaged in hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents in violation of the law of war; `(ii) to have committed a hostile act in aid of such a force or organization so engaged; or `(iii) to have supported hostilities in aid of such a force or organization so engaged. Hmmmm so the President or Secdef have the authority to say you're adiing terrorists and therefore you're an "unlawful enemy combatant"? Some other gems from the bill: * Certain sections of the Uniform Code of Military Justice are deemed inapplicable - including some relating to a speedy trial [Sec.948b (d)(1)(A)], compulsory self-incrimination [Sec.948b (d)(1)(B)], and pre-trial investigation [Sec.948b (d)(1)(C)]. * A civilian defense attorney may not be used unless they have clearance to view materials classified Secret. [Sec.949c(b)(3)(D)] * Based on his findings, the judge may introduce hearsay evidence [Sec.949a(b)(2)(E)(i)], evidence obtained without a search warrant [Sec.949a(b)(2)(B)], evidence obtained when the degree of coercion is disputed [Sec.948r (d)], or classified evidence not made available to the defense [Sec.949d(f)(2)(B)]. * A finding of Guilty requires only a 2/3 majority [Sec.949m(a)] * No defendant may invoke the Geneva Conventions in legal proceedings on their behalf. [Section 5(a)] * The President determines “the meaning and application” of the Geneva Conventions banning the torture of prisoners. [Sec.6 (a)(3)(A)] * The accused may be tried for the same offense a second time “with his consent” [Sec.949h(a)]. * If the military commission returns a finding of Not Guilty, its convening authority is not required to take action on the findings. [Sec.950b(c)(3)]

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Originally posted by occrider Well the worst provision imo was the last: * If the military commission returns a finding of Not Guilty, its convening authority is not required to take action on the findings. [Sec.950b(c)(3)] What's the whole point of a trial than?

from this thread:

The day King George was crowned (death of Habeus Corpus)

___________________
"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Ok, even the New York Times reported this, except they put their spin on it to make you guys feel better by adding the word "temporary"

Now that I think about it, Auschwitz, (Kulmhof) Chelmno, Treblinka, and other Nazi concentration camps were also "temporary," until the Allies and Soviets defeated them.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm sure the neocon Nazis are jumping with joy rightnow...

do you really think my country is capable of concentration camps?

...and another thing, do you really think playing the Nazi card is constructive to whatever dogma you want others to believe?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z BTW, Military Commisions Act of 2006

so what did you think of the old MCA?

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Originally posted by Q5echo do you really think my country is capable of concentration camps? ...and another thing, do you really think playing the Nazi card is constructive to whatever dogma you want others to believe?

They held japanese people in concentration camps in your country. SO yes.. they are capable of it

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-MARCO V

Q5, the US does have a history of racial segregation in camps.
After Pearl harbour all the Japanese where rounded up and thrown into them and I have a horrible feeling that if they where quicker off the mark to do it after the WTC bombings I doubt that they'd have had a lot of public opposition to doing it too selective parts of the community.

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The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster.

This makes my skin crawl. To think a few years ago when I was applying for US citizenship that they might have chucked me in some filthy camp for how long?
I'd be really really careful about this kind of thing, Australia has some set up to deal with illegal refugees in various out of the way places and theyre horrible things.

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Originally posted by Q5echo do you really think my country is capable of concentration camps?

definitely

They are already doing it in guatmo. Maybe not exactly the same, but its still a detention camp.

Don't know about the whole 'holocaust' thing though, wouldnt go that far shaolin_Z, I would however, be buying myself a firearm of some sort.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King They held japanese people in concentration camps in your country. SO yes.. they are capable of it

That was at a time when we had segregation. AKA We weren't in our right minds.

I think if I noticed that people were being deported, or disappearing, I would surely start questioning where they went. Call relatives, ask other people, call the police, etc. I imagine other people would, as well.

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Originally posted by Marc Summers That was at a time when we had segregation. AKA We weren't in our right minds. I think if I noticed that people were being deported, or disappearing, I would surely start questioning where they went. Call relatives, ask other people, call the police, etc. I imagine other people would, as well.

The point is,, that it was capable in the US and it DID happen

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