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Pelosi brings message of peace to Assad

By ZEINA KARAM Associated Press Writer
© 2007 The Associated Press

DAMASCUS, Syria — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi challenged the White House on Middle East policy Wednesday, meeting with Syria's leader and insisting "the road to Damascus is a road to peace."

That brought a sharp attack from the Bush administration, which has rejected direct talks with Damascus until its changes its ways.

"Unfortunately that road is lined with the victims of Hamas and Hezbollah, the victims of terrorists who cross from Syria into Iraq," said Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for President Bush's National Security Council. "It's unfortunate that she took this unilateral trip which we only see as counterproductive."

Washington accuses Syria of backing Hamas and Hezbollah, two groups it deems terrorist organizations. It also says Syria is fueling Iraq's violence by allowing Sunni insurgents to operate from its territory and is destabilizing Lebanon's government. Syrian government officials have been implicated in the 2005 assassination of former Lebanese premier Rafik Hariri in Beirut.

Pelosi was the highest-ranking American politician to visit Syria since relations began to deteriorate in 2003. Then Secretary of State Colin Powell went to Damascus in May 2003.

The visit heightened tensions between the administration and congressional Democrats, who have stepped up their push for change in U.S. policy in the Mideast and the Iraq war. But Democrats — and some Republicans — say the refusal of dialogue has closed doors to possible progress in resolving Mideast crises.

Pelosi's visit coincided with Iran's announcement that it would free 15 British marines and sailors captured in the Persian Gulf last month. Syrian officials claimed their country, an ally of Iran, played a key role in resolving the standoff. But they did not offer any specific details.

"We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," said Pelosi, who met for three hours with Syrian President Bashar Assad.

She said she expressed to Assad "our concern about Syria's connections to Hezbollah and Hamas" and militant fighters slipping across the Syrian border into Iraq.

She said that despite differences over whether to talk with Syria, "there is absolutely no division between this delegation and the president of the United States on the issues of concern."

Pelosi also said she brought a message to Assad from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that Israel was ready for peace talks with Syria. However, an Israeli government official later said this would only be possible if Syria abandoned terror and stopped assisting terror groups.

Syria hosts the exiled leadership of Hamas, as well as other Palestinian radical groups, and is a major patron of Hezbollah. Its government insists Hamas is a legitimate resistance movement working for Palestinian freedom and Hezbollah is a regular Lebanese political party.

Assad has repeatedly said over the past year that Damascus is willing to negotiate with Israel, insisting the talks must lead to the return of the Golan Heights, seized by Israel in the 1967 Mideast War.

"He's ready to engage in negotiations for peace with Israel," Pelosi said of the Syrian leader.

Pelosi was accompanied by a delegation of five congressional Democrats and Ohio Republican Dave Hobson. Their meeting with Assad included a lunch in Damascus' historic Old City.

Rep. Tom Lantos, the head of the House Foreign Affairs Committee who was in the delegation, said the meeting "reinforced very strongly" the potential benefits of talking to Syria.

In an interview with ABC News, Cheney said Assad has "been isolated and cut off because of his bad behavior and the unfortunate thing about the speaker's visit is it sort of breaks down that barrier."

"It means without him having done any of those things he should do in order to be acceptable, if you will, from an international standpoint, he gets a visit from a high-ranking American anyway," Cheney said.

Pelosi's spokesman Nadeam Elshami responded to Cheney by saying Pelosi pressed Assad on issues of concern.

"The administration has rejected the bipartisan recommendations of the Iraq Study Group to engage Syria and instead continues to engage in a war of words with Republicans and Democrats on this issue," he said from the Saudi capital, Riyadh, where the delegation met Wednesday evening with Saudi King Abdullah.

Last year, the Iraq Study Group — chaired by former Republican secretary of state James Baker II and former House Democrat Lee H. Hamilton — recommended Washington open talks with Iran and Syria to try to resolve the war in Iraq and other regional crises.

Bush rejected the recommendations. But in February, the U.S. joined a gathering of regional diplomats in Baghdad that included Iran and Syria for talks on Iraq.

"These people in the United States who are opposing dialogue I tell them one thing: Dialogue is ... the only method to close the gap existing between two countries," Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem told reporters after the Assad-Pelosi meeting.

Since 2005, Washington has succeeded in largely isolating Damascus, with its European and Arab allies shunning Assad. The last high-ranking U.S. official to visit Syria was then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage in January 2005.

Relations between the U.S. and Syria reached a low point in early 2005 when Washington withdrew its ambassador to Damascus to protest the assassination of Hariri.

But that isolation has weakened in recent months, with some European officials and a number of American lawmakers — Republicans and Democrats — visiting Damascus.

____

AP correspondent Donna Abu-Nasr in Riyadh contributed to this report.




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Report: Assad will mediate to secure troops' release
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Syrian President Bashar Assad made a promise to US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that he would make efforts to bring about an agreement between Hizbullah, Hamas and Israel regarding the release of the kidnapped IDF soldiers, the London-based newspaper, Al-Hayat, reported on Thursday.

According to the report, Assad told Pelosi, who visited Syria on Wednesday that Damascus "will invest all its efforts" in order to prompt Hizbullah and Hamas to finalize agreements with Israel to release reservists Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, captured in July 2006, and Cpl. Gilad Schalit, captured in June of the same year.

In related news, Israeli officials commented on Assad's interest to begin peace negotiations.

Immigrant Absorption Minister Ze'ev Boim said the Syrian president should prove his intentions toward coexistence with Israel through actions, even minor ones, if peace talks between the two nations are to be resumed.

"The fact that he is holding an olive branch in his beak still doesn't turn him into someone who really wants peace with Israel," Boim told Israel Radio. "We are not asking that he totally stop, just do something however minor that will show his real intentions through some sort of action."

Boim said Israel would be willing to give up the Golan Heights as part of an eventual deal. Past negotiations with Syria have centered on the strategic plateau, but the sides could not agree on the scope of the withdrawal.

"We know that the price will be, in the end, that Israel will come down from the Golan Heights," Boim said.

Deputy Premier Shimon Peres said that Assad's declarations that Syria wanted to return to the negotiation table were illogical, while the country continued to support terrorism.

"It is not logical that Syria says it is ready for peace, yet actively supports terrorism," Peres said, also to Israel Radio.

Peres noted that Assad would only be taken seriously once his actions match them.

On Wednesday Pelosi said that she brought a message to Assad from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that Israel was ready for peace talks with Syria.

However, Olmert's office said in a statement later this would only be possible if Assad stops supporting Hizbullah and Hamas.

Olmert's office said Thursday it would not issue a response due to the weeklong Passover holiday.
After meeting for three hours with Assad, Pelosi said that he was "ready to engage in negotiations for peace with Israel."

She said she expressed to the Syrian president "our concern about Syria's connections to Hizbullah and Hamas" and militant fighters slipping across the Syrian border into Iraq.


So if this works, will anyone have the balls to tell the neocons 'see i told you so'?


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Originally posted by venomX
So if this works


if what works exactly?

if all of a sudden there is Mid-East peace because of Pelosi it would be only in spite of Neoconservatism/Bushitler not by some causation of the Donkey party.


Pelosi visits Syria and all of a sudden Assad is some magnanimous gatekeeper to all that is peaceful

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if what works exactly?

if all of a sudden there is Mid-East peace because of Pelosi it would be only in spite of Neoconservatism/Bushitler not by some causation of the Donkey party.


Pelosi visits Syria and all of a sudden Assad is some magnanimous gatekeeper to all that is peaceful


Did I say anything like that? You sure like to come up with straw mans. If Assad can successfully intervene between Israel and the Palestenians/Hezbollah it is a case in point that direct diplomacy has more potential than armed assault. More bluntly if more contacts like these occur and succeed you and your dear administration will have been ridiculed (although I don't know if it's possible to ridicule them more than what they themselves have done already).


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quote:
Originally posted by venomX
Did I say anything like that?


yes.

quote:
If Assad can successfully intervene between Israel and the Palestenians/Hezbollah it is a case in point that direct diplomacy has more potential than armed assault.


you seem a little disillusioned. Assad has to want to do the things you describe. what possibly could the Speaker of the House incentivize him to do so?

quote:
More bluntly if more contacts like these occur and succeed you and your dear administration will have been ridiculed (although I don't know if it's possible to ridicule them more than what they themselves have done already).


thats what this is all about. you just want to ridicule or be given the chance to do so. and if Mid-East peace doesn't materialize prior to 2009 you will have your wish. praise be unto Allah

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again, if what works exactly?

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Nancy Pelosi's foolish shuttle diplomacy

Thursday, April 5, 2007; A16



HOUSE SPEAKER Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) offered an excellent demonstration yesterday of why members of Congress should not attempt to supplant the secretary of state when traveling abroad. After a meeting with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in Damascus, Ms. Pelosi announced that she had delivered a message from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. What's more, she added, Mr. Assad was ready to "resume the peace process" as well. Having announced this seeming diplomatic breakthrough, Ms. Pelosi suggested that her Kissingerian shuttle diplomacy was just getting started. "We expressed our interest in using our good offices in promoting peace between Israel and Syria," she said.

Only one problem: The Israeli prime minister entrusted Ms. Pelosi with no such message. "What was communicated to the U.S. House Speaker does not contain any change in the policies of Israel," said a statement quickly issued by the prime minister's office. In fact, Mr. Olmert told Ms. Pelosi that "a number of Senate and House members who recently visited Damascus received the impression that despite the declarations of Bashar Assad, there is no change in the position of his country regarding a possible peace process with Israel." In other words, Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda.

Ms. Pelosi was criticized by President Bush for visiting Damascus at a time when the administration -- rightly or wrongly -- has frozen high-level contacts with Syria. Mr. Bush said that thanks to the speaker's freelancing Mr. Assad was getting mixed messages from the United States. Ms. Pelosi responded by pointing out that Republican congressmen had visited Syria without drawing presidential censure. That's true enough -- but those other congressmen didn't try to introduce a new U.S. diplomatic initiative in the Middle East. "We came in friendship, hope, and determined that the road to Damascus is a road to peace," Ms. Pelosi grandly declared.

Never mind that that statement is ludicrous: As any diplomat with knowledge of the region could have told Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Assad is a corrupt thug whose overriding priority at the moment is not peace with Israel but heading off U.N. charges that he orchestrated the murder of former Lebanese prime minister Rafiq al-Hariri. The really striking development here is the attempt by a Democratic congressional leader to substitute her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican president. Two weeks ago Ms. Pelosi rammed legislation through the House of Representatives that would strip Mr. Bush of his authority as commander in chief to manage troop movements in Iraq. Now she is attempting to introduce a new Middle East policy that directly conflicts with that of the president. We have found much to criticize in Mr. Bush's military strategy and regional diplomacy. But Ms. Pelosi's attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish.

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if what works exactly?

if all of a sudden there is Mid-East peace because of Pelosi it would be only in spite of Neoconservatism/Bushitler not by some causation of the Donkey party.


Pelosi visits Syria and all of a sudden Assad is some magnanimous gatekeeper to all that is peaceful


oh texas

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Hasn't Pelosi sworn to protect the constitution which clearly states that foreign policy is the job of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH...??


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Hasn't Pelosi sworn to protect the constitution which clearly states that foreign policy is the job of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH...??


Yeah, let's just stop and rewrite the constitution right now.

1. You have no rights.

Done!

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Hasn't Pelosi sworn to protect the constitution which clearly states that foreign policy is the job of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH...??


holy shit... I just pissed myself



now we start to define lines between the legislative/executive?

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holy shit... I just pissed myself



now we start to define lines between the legislative/executive?


no answers from you again?

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no answers from you again?


NEVER!!!!!

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