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star-traveller
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Russia blames US in missile row

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Russia blames US in missile row

Mr Putin said Russia's actions were not aggressive

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said a recent ballistic missile test was in answer to US plans to create a defence shield in Central Europe.

Mr Putin said it was a "response to maintain the strategic balance in the world", in what he called a "new round of the arms race".

He added that Russia would continue to improve its resources.

Russia tested a new intercontinental ballistic missile, which can be armed with up to 10 warheads, on Tuesday.
These actions by Russia should not be feared, they are not aggressive
President Vladimir Putin

Europe diary: Missile defence


"Our American partners have left the ABM (Anti-Ballistic Missile) Treaty," Mr Putin told a press conference.

"We have warned them then that we will come out with a response to maintain the strategic balance in the world."

'New weapons'

Mr Putin defended Russia's actions, insisting they were not the "initiators of this new round of the arms race".


"(Our partners) are stuffing Eastern Europe with new weapons," he said.

"A new base in Bulgaria, another in Romania, a site in Poland, radar in the Czech Republic. What are we supposed to do? We cannot just observe all this."

He added: "These actions by Russia should not be feared, they are not aggressive, it's just an answer to rather tough and unjustified unilateral actions by partners."


Washington wants to deploy interceptor rockets in Poland and a radar base in the Czech Republic to counter what it describes as a potential threat from "rogue states" such as Iran and North Korea.

The US maintains its system is not directed at the Russians, but Moscow says its security is being threatened.

Russia's test launch took place at the Plesetsk cosmodrome in northern Russia on 29 May.

The missile, called RS-24, was designed to evade missile defence systems, the Russian defence ministry says.

The test missile successfully struck its target 5,500km (3,400 miles) away on the far eastern Kamchatka peninsula, the Russian Strategic Missile Forces said.



Russia blames US in missile row

One of the topic where I agree with him on 100%.

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LazFX
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Ahhhh the cold war all over again...

THIS TIME WE WILL BANKRUPT YOUR COUNTRY ALL THE WAY!!! YOUR COUNTRY IS IN RUINS, YOU SUB FLEET IS RUSTING AND YOUR NAVY IS A FOCKING CROCK!!! ONLY THE PEOPLE OF RUSSIA WILL SUFFER CAUSE OF THAT PUSSY PUTIN AND STUPID FOCKING RUSSIANS LIKE YOU!!!

/my typical neo-con response


sad really when people in Russia are starving and your economy is a joke.... Yeah lets build some missiles



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quote:
Originally posted by LazFX
Ahhhh the cold war all over again...

THIS TIME WE WILL BANKRUPT YOUR COUNTRY ALL THE WAY!!! YOUR COUNTRY IS IN RUINS, YOU SUB FLEET IS RUSTING AND YOUR NAVY IS A FOCKING CROCK!!! ONLY THE PEOPLE OF RUSSIA WILL SUFFER CAUSE OF THAT PUSSY PUTIN AND STUPID FOCKING RUSSIANS LIKE YOU!!!

/my typical neo-con response


sad really when people in Russia are starving and your economy is a joke.... Yeah lets build some missiles





OMG !!!!

Are you still living in 1991?

Wake up dude it's 2007 outside.

Why do you bother answering if you don't anything on what is in Russia now anyway?

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starving people, OMG, stop showing your stupidity

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quote:
Originally posted by star-traveller


Why do you bother answering if you don't anything on what is in Russia now anyway?


My opinion on Russian People are based on your posts and your fucked up way of thinking....

YOU SUCK!

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quote:
Originally posted by star-traveller
starving people, OMG, stop showing your stupidity


fuck even a hispanic from the USA can school you on your own country?/

You Are a Fucking JOKE!!!!


36 Million Russians Cannot Afford Eating Every Day
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36 Million Russians Cannot Afford Eating Every Day
Overcoming of poverty does not belong to the Russian government top-priorities

At today’s sitting of the government, results of social and economical development of Russia within post-crisis years will be discussed. While yesterday’s widened collegium of Labour and Social Development Ministry, organised by minister Alexandr Pochinok, seems to have been timed to this sitting. At the collegium however, it turned out that spite bettering of basic figures, there is nothing to be proud of: almost 36 million Russians live under poverty verge.

At least several times a year, Alexandr Pochinok illustrates with figures Stalin’s old slogan: “Living has become better, living has become more joyous.” Yesterday, Pochinok in particular noticed that the population real incomes increased by 8.8 percent in 2002, real salary – by 16.6 percent, while real pension – by 16.4 percent. Though, percent figures cannot deceive Russian citizens. Even Pochinok himself must have admit that, according to a preliminary estimation, about 36 million Russians, or every fourth Russian citizen, lives today under poverty verge. Though, the minister notices, in 2002, about 2 million citizens succeeded in overpass of this verge. And what about the rest? This probably was not reported to the minister.

The labour minister did not tried to evade a slippery question: the difference between incomes of the rich and the poor. According to him, this correlation has remained on the 2001 level: 14 to 1. Though, these are official figures. And what about the reality? Either Pochinok, or his subordinates hardly know it. And they are hardly interested in it.

The minister noticed that the problem of salary and social payments is still pointed. In particular, he said, arrears of wages made 30.6 billion rubles in 2002. Though, Pochinok immediately noticed that was not the federal centre guilt, the question is that the money is not paid on regional level. The regions still spend money for non-proper aims.

Among positive tendencies, Mr Pochinok noticed 3.6-time reduction of strikes in 2002. According to him, this is connected with the government active work for development of social partnership.

The situation in labour market is said to have become better, too. In particular, employment figures in 2002 were the best within last seven years. According to International Labour Organisation, the number of unemployed reduced by 14 percent and made 5.5 million people or 7 percent of economically active population. 3.9 million Russians found job in 2002 (however the ministry does not know how many of these 3.9 million succeeded in holding out on the found work for more than 3 months). Actually, it is not so difficult to find a job. Though it is more difficult to find a job at least to subsist on it. While it is much more difficult to make the employer pay the promised salary. Though, that are unnecessary details for Labour Ministry.

PRAVDA.Ru already wrote about Pochinok’s obvious incompetence as labour minister. Though, the question is probably not only about professional unfitness of some ministers, but in the essence of the government policy. The government is not concerned with increasing real welfare of Russian citizens. The population’s claims to the government were in the best way expressed by the State Duma deputy and co-chairman of the Liberal Russia, Viktor Pokhmelkin.

In particular, Pokhmelkin said the state had by the moment some reserves to increase pensions to the level of living wage. In fact, Zurabov and Pochinok, if they cannot manage their task, have to send in their resignation. Though, this is not the main problem. According to Pokhmelkin, this government as well as the previous ones, express the bureaucracy interests, but not that ones of the people. It does not formulate its task like overcoming of poverty, this is why the gap between the poor and the rich is growing bigger.

According to Viktor Pokhmelkin, now nobody is shocked with the government ministers richness. While labour minister Pochinok should be ashamed for living in too luxurious conditions in such a poor country, like Russia. Pochinok’s wife, as well known, possesses a big casino in Moscow, so Pochinok’s prosperous life could be explained. Though, it is at least immoral to show this luxury to millions of poor TV viewers.

Dmitry Slobodyanyuk PRAVDA.Ru Translated by Vera Solovieva



oh and here is some more you focking CUNNT!!
Wealth and poverty in modern Russia
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Since the beginning of the year, protests have been under way, primarily by pensioners, against the transformation of social benefits into substantially smaller cash payments. (See: “Russia: wave of protests against welfare cuts,” 27 January, 2005; and “Russia: Putin lays siege to social benefits,” 21 September, 2004.)

Government propaganda has sought to attribute the spread of protests to problems in the implementation of the new laws on social security benefits, while insisting the laws themselves are necessary and inevitable. However, protests by pensioners are only the tip of the iceberg. The underlying cause of growing discontent is the enormous degree of social inequality that has resulted from the introduction of capitalism in the former Soviet Union.

In his New Year speech, President Vladimir Putin maintained that the social situation of most Russians had improved over the previous year. Just a few days later, however, the outbreak of protests indicated what broad sections of the population thought about this question.

Even a cursory examination of the social situation in modern Russia reveals a deeply divided society. An array of statistics documents the reality of two different worlds that hardly come into contact with one another. One—the world of wealth and luxury—is inhabited by an insignificant minority. The other—the world of social decline and an arduous struggle for life’s necessities—is inhabited by millions upon millions.

Figures showing the distribution of wealth reveal the glaring nature of this social polarisation. According to government data, the incomes of the very richest members of Russian society are 15 times those of the poorest—one of the highest levels of social inequality to be found among the world’s leading countries. In Moscow, this difference is 53-fold.

Below the poverty line

According to figures published by the World Bank at the end of last year, 20 percent of the Russian population lives below the poverty line, which is defined as a monthly income of 1,000 roubles (less than 30 euros, or $38).

The great majority of Russian families are teetering on the edge of poverty. The World Bank has calculated that an average decrease in income of 10 percent would produce a 50 percent rise in the poverty rate. The majority of the poor in Russia are to be found among working families headed by adults with average technical professional training, and in families with children.

Most of the poor workers are employed in the public sector, including teachers, physicians and low-ranking civil servants. The occupations with the lowest incomes—including those employed in the health services, such as nurses and medics—are of great social importance. The poor living conditions of those employed in these sectors contribute to a decline in the structures upon which a functioning society is based.

The well-off receive greater privileges and benefits than the poor or the near-poor. The World Bank writes that medium-level social allowances (with the exception of those for children) paid to the relatively rich exceed those received by poorer social layers.

Russia’s National Statistics Office officially classifies a total of 31 million people (22 percent of the population) as poor. Other surveys, however, place the poverty rate at 40 percent or higher.

The All-Russian Centre for Living Standards published the following figures for the varying degrees of poverty:

At the end of 2003, average monthly income was calculated at 2,121 roubles (60 euros/$77 a month), with those who are employed receiving 2,300 roubles (65 euros/$83) and pensioners receiving 1,600 roubles (45 euros/$58). Those whose income falls below these levels are defined as poor. A second category, those who are badly off, includes families where per-capita income lies between 2,121 and 4,400 roubles (60-126 euros/$77-$161). A significant section of the population can be found in these two categories.

The Centre for Living Standards regards the “middle layers” as households with a per-capita monthly income of between 4,400 roubles and 15,000 roubles (126-430 euros/$161-$550). By Western standards, this level of income would represent poverty.

Pensioners and young people constitute the poorest sections of Russian society. The Social Opinions Fund has found that practically no young people (just 1 percent) are saving for their old age. Two thirds of young people who were asked said they could not afford to buy anything. Young people living in the countryside or in small cities are at greatest risk of being poor. In contrast to Western countries, where poverty is often concentrated in the large cities, the poor are more frequently found in Russia’s villages and towns.

Families with children are exposed to the constant danger of poverty, particularly those with two, three or more children.

Children from families with low incomes have substantially decreased chances of going on to gain an apprenticeship after graduating high school. Only 15 percent of children from poor families go to the more specialised technical colleges and universities. A low level of education is an important factor in the persistence of poverty.

The poor are more frequently ill or succumb to alcohol. The incidence of tuberculosis in Russia is 10 times higher than in Europe.

Scientists have calculated that since the beginning of the 1990s, some 8 million Russians have died prematurely. The mortality rate has risen one-and-a-half times over the same period. In 2003, it reached a high point at 16.4 deaths per 1,000 inhabitants.

The average Russian man can presently expect to live only to 58. That means married women, on average, are widowed for 15 years. This is due both to women’s greater life expectancy and to the younger age at which women marry.

Despite the adversities of everyday life in the Soviet Union, for most people the social situation was substantially better than that which exists in contemporary Russia. Today, the minimum wage covers only 27 percent of what is needed to sustain an adult of working age; the child benefit covers just 3 percent of necessary expenditure for a child; and the minimum pension covers only 46 percent of the minimum expenditure of a pensioner.

In the Soviet Union, the minimum wage amounted to one-and-a-half times the minimum required consumption. Russia’s minimum wage would have to be trebled to cover the minimum level of consumption.

A serious struggle against poverty is impossible without a real reform of the educational system and health service. Both would have to be made accessible to broad layers of the population. However, the tendency is in the opposite direction.

For increasing numbers of Russians, it is becoming clear that further capitalist “reforms” will not improve their situation.

The wealthy end of the spectrum

Then there is the other Russia. It finds its personification in figures like Roman Abramovich, governor of the remote region of Chukotka (just across the Bering Strait from Alaska) and owner of a controlling interest in the Russian oil giant Sibneft. He is considered the richest man in Britain, where he now resides. Two years ago, he acquired the English soccer club Chelsea for an astronomical sum.

Russia is ranked third in the world for the number of billionaires, and thirteenth for having the largest enterprises.

Taken as a whole, the fortunes of Russia’s billionaires amount to nearly half as much as the total value of the largest Russian enterprises. By comparison, in the US, this sum amounts to 6 percent.

The greatest part of shareholdings in the largest Russian enterprises can be found in the hands of this tiny social layer. According to the World Bank, in 2003, the 23 largest business groups account for 57 percent of all of Russia’s industrial production.

Forbes magazine has calculated that, measured against the economic output of the country ($458 billion), there are more billionaires in Russia (36) than anywhere else in the world. The total assets of these 36 richest Russians amounts to $110 billion—24 percent of the country’s economic output.

Most of the Russian billionaires and multimillionaires control raw materials and their associated industries. According to Forbes, this applies to 66 of the 100 richest Russians. The 34 others have gained their wealth from new business fields—above all, telecommunications, construction, food production and retail trade.

The incomes of the top managers are also incomparably greater than those of the ordinary citizen or pensioner. Gaseta.ru cites data showing they receive annually between $1 million and $3 million.

The president of Lukoil gets $1.5 million. If the business achieves certain goals, he enjoys a bonus of $2.2 million. The vice president gets $800,000 annually, with up to $1.1 million in bonuses. The picture was the same at Yukos, until it was liquidated by the state.

In large-scale enterprises like the United Mechanical Engineering Works and the Tyumen oil company, basic executive salaries amount to $500,000 and more. Oleg Deripaska, the boss of the Basis Element aluminium producer, paid taxes of $294 million in 2001 on his income in the Siberian Republic of Khakassia. His pay constituted 10 percent of the total income of the republic.

The “new Russians,” as they are sometimes called, often live abroad, where they can be found in the most expensive hotels, clubs and restaurants. They possess racehorses, yachts and mansions. Practically every billionaire has his own yacht and airplane. They particularly enjoy buying expensive antiques and jewelery, as well as purchasing real estate in the most expensive areas of Europe’s capitals. A special attraction for them is London.

Russians constitute a third of all foreign investors on the London property market. Over the past 10 years, the number of British visas given to Russians has increased eightfold. Of 250,000 Russians living in London, 700 are multimillionaires.

New Year celebrations are the high point of profligate consumption for the Russian nouveaux riches. The International Herald Tribune reported recently that some 20,000 Russians “wallowed in luxury, ate, drank and went shopping” in the elite boutiques of the ski resort of Courchevel, which lies in a snow-covered corner of the French Alps. In this spa resort can be found four-star hotels like Les Grandes Alpes, where a room costs between 550 and 1,250 euros ($704 and $1,600) per night. In the hotel restaurant, one can drink wines for a mere 1,750 euros ($2,239) a bottle. A new suite opened in the hotel Byblos des Neiges recently that measures 220 square metres and costs 6,500 euros ($8,318) a night.

The International Herald Tribune writes that Russian ski teachers are being employed to cope with the wave of Russian tourists in Courchevel, where Russian advertisements can be seen everywhere. “This is wonderful business for us,” explained the owner of one local four-star hotel.

This is the reality behind the invocations of “national unity” proclaimed by the Putin government. It is no wonder that ordinary Russians increasingly demonstrate their discontent and protest against the worsening of their situation. These protests will inevitably continue and intensify under conditions in which the government lacks any solution for Russia’s mounting social problems.
It is no wonder that ordinary Russians increasingly demonstrate their discontent and protest against the worsening of their situation. These protests will inevitably continue and intensify under conditions in which the government lacks any solution for Russia’s mounting social problems

but I guess that means nothing to you since you are in university in AM? You focking daft Twat!

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come on Laz. Russia has a bright future with all those escorts.

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Can't we just have one thread titled "Star-Traveller and Metalgearsolid's wank-fest over Russia, China and the 'please please please God' next Cold War"?

That way this board wouldn't be chockablock full of random threads that just happen to mention Russia on the international stage?

Failing that, here's some sources star-traveller may feel interested in looking at himself (without having to subject the rest of us to it every ten minutes)...

http://news.bbc.co.uk

www.cnn.com

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Its ridiculous.

Russia already has detterent capable enough against the west.

These missile interceptors can knock down only one or two incoming missiles at a time. They would serve as inadequate protection against the hundreds that would be storming a westward if Russia would want to get in on the fun of WWIII.

It really is only good against "rouge" nations.


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Well it's not actually good against even rogue states at the moment seeing as it doesn't work!

However, if it did work, it would pretty much neutralise China's nuclear arsenal and with all the other planned and possible compenents (and depending on the speed America could mass produce these "defences") it could provide a credible defence against Russia's arsenal too (but like I said, the BMD doesn't work)

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I am all for it. Let Russia build sophisticated strategic defense systems to defend itself against this encroachment by NATO and their allies an an excuse to fight Iran. Its such a big pile of bullshit when they are installing bases and missile defense / radar systems all over Eastern Bloc countries and around Russia (Georgia) and are claiming its all against Iran. I dont buy that crap. They started building these bases before Iran declared its nuclear power intentions. Russia successfully tested recently new systems that are faster and more maneuvrable than any previous strategic weapons systems. And there's no reason it shouldn't - there's the threat of NATO - that along with USA regularly criticize Russia, terrorists, rogue states ...


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I am all for it. Let Russia build sophisticated strategic defense systems to defend itself against this encroachment by NATO and their allies an an excuse to fight Iran. Its such a big pile of bullshit when they are installing bases and missile defense / radar systems all over Eastern Bloc countries and around Russia (Georgia) and are claiming its all against Iran. I dont buy that crap. They started building these bases before Iran declared its nuclear power intentions. Russia successfully tested recently new systems that are faster and more maneuvrable than any previous strategic weapons systems. And there's no reason it shouldn't - there's the threat of NATO - that along with USA regularly criticize Russia, terrorists, rogue states ...


You're a perfect lap dog of putin's brainwashing system. Oh well...

Once a SLAVe, always a SLAVe.

F*ck russians - they should keep mouths shut. One of the biggest arms suppliers to middle eastern terrorists and enemies of US all over the world, including Hamas, Hizbolah, Iran, and others.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/05/30/iran.taliban/index.html

NO SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS DONE MORE TO DE-STABILIZE THE PEACE THAN RUSSIA. NOT EVEN US WITH ALL ITS CONFLICTS AND WARS. IF ANTI-CHRIST AND ALL THE HORSEMEN OF APOCALYPSE WERE TO CHOSE A PRIMARY RESIDENCE, IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE IN KREMLIN.

Let's not forget to thank Russia for supplying Iran with means and know-how to manufacture nukes. Just STFU, you t00l.

Putin needed an excuse - he got it. Besides, what can you expect from this KGB scum who said that the greatest tragedy of the 20th century was disbandoment of USSR and who said Stalin is his role model?

Looks like Commie cancer is still alive, well, and strong. Besides, what better way to unite bunch of disinformed, dis-enchanted, poor and hungry people than behind an old and familiar cause?

What irks me the most is that how Bush and Putin continue to call each other "PARTNER". x100,000,000,000

It's sad that TERRORISTS HAVE WON. This is a separate discussion but Osama should consider attacking US success beyond any imagination. He accomplished more than destroy 3000+ lives +landmarks.

He allowed neocons to take over AND CHANGE THE WORLD! Freedom is fast becoming non-existent under blanket of terrorist war, international ties are strained to the point of rupture (like in this case) + U.S. can be officially considered "all bark, no bite".

If this doesn't define "successful mission" + "mission accomplished" - for Osama, I don't know what would.... and he's ALIVE AND FREE!

p.s. still, F*CK russia...

and


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