for producing? definately not.

they're valuable for djing though - save your hearing.

Far be it from me to be controversial, or to challenge accepted production rules, but I don't believe it really matters that much what you mix on.

Now, I could be wrong, but I think that a decent home stereo system, which you know well and understand can come pretty close to doing the job of monitors. This also goes for these earbuds. If I listen to a lot of music on a system and understand its response really really well, then I find that I can easily get a mix out of it which will sit well on every other system I play it on.

It may not be professionally mastered, but its as good as anything I could get out of mid range monitors for sure. Now if we're talking about high end monitors with dedicated subs well maybe thats different. But as long as the monitoring system meets certain very basic standards, I think you can get a result out of it. I use my senheiser in ear buds all the time for close final mixing to check stuff on because I listen to them all day and therefore understand them really well.

So the answer is, yes the quality is good enough, if you know them well.

Maybe it depends on the quality of headphones, I'm sure, but in my personal experience, I've attempted to produce while at work using Cubase and a pair of $30 headphones. What sounded great in my headphones, when I got elsewhere on other soundsystems, I had to laugh hysterically at how bad it sounded. Maybe if I brought in my DJing headphones or something but those giant things would probably attract too much attention to me while at work. I don't think using headphones to produce is a good idea but maybe with higher end ones it works I don't know.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Far be it from me to be controversial, or to challenge accepted production rules, but I don't believe it really matters that much what you mix on. Now, I could be wrong, but I think that a decent home stereo system, which you know well and understand can come pretty close to doing the job of monitors. This also goes for these earbuds. If I listen to a lot of music on a system and understand its response really really well, then I find that I can easily get a mix out of it which will sit well on every other system I play it on. It may not be professionally mastered, but its as good as anything I could get out of mid range monitors for sure. Now if we're talking about high end monitors with dedicated subs well maybe thats different. But as long as the monitoring system meets certain very basic standards, I think you can get a result out of it. I use my senheiser in ear buds all the time for close final mixing to check stuff on because I listen to them all day and therefore understand them really well. So the answer is, yes the quality is good enough, if you know them well.

he speaks the truth.. essentially if you know ur sound source well enough u can mix through just about anything.... it will be a lot more learning time required though (waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more)

personally id rather have a nicer pair of headphones vs a cheaper pair.

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There are limitations on the "knowing your system" thing. I know I say the same thing often, but that's usually in the context of something half-decent, and we're talking about noise-cancelling earbuds here.

If your cans/monitors merely colour certain frequencies, you can adjust. But can any of you imagine trying to produce on, say, a telephone? You wouldn't be able to hear half of the track at all, forget about hearing it differently.

I'm sure the earbuds aren't quite that bad, but earbuds are bad. Throw active noise-cancellation into the mix and you're adding all sorts of weird stuff (speaking from experience, I've tried several of these and use them at work).

Believe me, you don't want to use those for production. You'd be better off getting an even cheaper pair of full-size closed cans for 20 bucks. Those are terrible, but they're still better than buds.

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Originally posted by DigiNut There are limitations on the "knowing your system" thing. I know I say the same thing often, but that's usually in the context of something half-decent, and we're talking about noise-cancelling earbuds here.

Digi speaks the truth.

The "you can mix on anything if you're smart" argument is correct most of the time and i enforce it on this forum alot. however, you will never be able to mix what ISN'T THERE.

I didn't notice that they were active noise cancelling actually. You still might be able to get results, but I havent used active before. My pair of buds are sennheiser and they're just passive, but they sound really great, so I would recommend them if you want something like this, they're also cheaper