I strongly suggest anyone interested in mystical interpretations of our existance to read this free online book, The Awful Truth by Patrick Conway, HERE. You will have to request a username, and password, but after that, you can download all 300 some pages in pdf to your computer. My adobe version reads it out loud to me, making it easier to read over the screens.

The book's basic premise is that academia has failed to give humanity a coherent view of our existance. From our origins to where we are going. Otherwise, we would not be having such intense debates on the subject of theism vs. materialism. The author says that both are flawed and offers an alternative view. His view is very alternative, but it's something to think about. I especially like the arguments against evolution, which in my opinion isn't science at all. Just read the book!

You can also hear Patrick Conway talk about his theories on Coast to Coast AM here...Radio discussion on earth history.

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Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

Read something interesting..

Humans are seemingly alien to this planet. Looking at nature, all the animals live in harmony with nature, except for humans. Wherever we settle, we take ove the land entirely. The only natural enemy we have is microorganisms, old age, and ourselves. No other creature compares to our intellect, so we search for extra-species intelligence in the cosmos looking for ET. It's like the planet was already made and humans were put here.

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that's quite a radical view.

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Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

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Originally posted by Omega_M that's quite a radical view.

seemingly alien. don't think it was stating it as such. It gets more and more interesting as I read it. Only on page 25 though.

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Originally posted by Krypton Read something interesting.. Humans are seemingly alien to this planet. Looking at nature, all the animals live in harmony with nature, except for humans. Wherever we settle, we take ove the land entirely. The only natural enemy we have is microorganisms, old age, and ourselves. No other creature compares to our intellect, so we search for extra-species intelligence in the cosmos looking for ET. It's like the planet was already made and humans were put here.

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Can't it just be that we are the dominant animals? We are the only animals that are able to fully change the environment to suit are need. Other animals come close, using tools, building nests, creating dams to alter their environment to harvest more food. We can do it better. That's all. Just because we are the only ones to have evolved this far at this point does not entail that we are 'alien'. It is an interesting point, but has no grounding. It is mere speculation. Maybe we just killed off the competition. Maybe changing the environment deterred other would be human like creatures from evolving. I think this is a pretty week argument.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

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Originally posted by venomX \ Can't it just be that we are the dominant animals? We are the only animals that are able to fully change the environment to suit are need. Other animals come close, using tools, building nests, creating dams to alter their environment to harvest more food. We can do it better. That's all. Just because we are the only ones to have evolved this far at this point does not entail that we are 'alien'. It is an interesting point, but has no grounding. It is mere speculation. Maybe we just killed off the competition. Maybe changing the environment deterred other would be human like creatures from evolving. I think this is a pretty week argument.

You'll just love the part on evolution.

As I'm understanding it, I didn't think the book was stating we are alien to this planet, but that we seemingly are alien. Food for thought to think we might be the aliens, but that idea is far out.

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Originally posted by Krypton Read something interesting.. Humans are seemingly alien to this planet. Looking at nature, all the animals live in harmony with nature, except for humans. Wherever we settle, we take ove the land entirely. The only natural enemy we have is microorganisms, old age, and ourselves. No other creature compares to our intellect, so we search for extra-species intelligence in the cosmos looking for ET. It's like the planet was already made and humans were put here.

I don't like to be commenting on this before reading the book, but this doesn't really make much sense whatsoever

First of all, it's not true that all other animals live in harmony with nature, otherwise there would be no extinct species except for those killed off by men. That's absurd, because even a mere "unfair" competition for food may lead a species to its extinction, or a subtle climate change. As for our intellect, other animals are not as "dumb" as that statement might imply - we might outsmart them, in spite of not having the best sensory system there is, but the price of developing a more elaborate intelligence was actually pretty high, so we're lucky we had the chance of engaging in a "cognitive arms race" without being wiped out during the process.

This whole argument sounds bizarrely anthropocentric, though. We're not that special... at all. As a matter of fact, if we really had to pick a "seemingly alien" creature, I'd personally viruses... they're just plain weird

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cant one of you just sendspace.com the pdf

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Originally posted by Sunsnail cant one of you just sendspace.com the pdf

Good point. Why do they require a registration? Do they mention a reason?

If the book is freely available, [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
would be a great place to host it without any hassle.

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Originally posted by Krypton Humans are seemingly alien to this planet. Looking at nature, all the animals live in harmony with nature, except for humans. Wherever we settle, we take ove the land entirely.

How are we unique in this respect? Basically all plants do this. So does coral. So do termites, locusts and many other insects. A beaver, like Venom X said, can exert a phenotypical influence on the environment that stretches for miles. If we are unique in our ability to settle and change our environment, then it is only by a matter of degree rather than kind.

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The only natural enemy we have is microorganisms, old age, and ourselves.

The same can be said for lions. Or polar bears. Or sharks.

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It's like the planet was already made and humans were put here.

If we were "put here", then the beings that put us here obviously took their inspiration for our physiology from the life that already existed on this planet. Our chemical composition is virtually identical to that of all other animals (barring common decent, there is no good reason for this to be the case) and we have exactly the same vital requirements (food, water, oxygen etc.). Our skeletal, muscular and organ composition is very similar to that of all other vertabrates. The codons in our genes code for exactly the same 20 amino acids - out of potentially thousands - as all other life forms here. Genetically, we are 99% identical to chimpanzees, 80% identical to mice and 40% identical to worms. All of these figures increase if we compare only active genes.

Speaking of which, we have inactive genes within our genome that are present and which serve no purpose, but which are present and active in our evolutionary cousins. Only 5% of our DNA is actually active in the sense that it codes for proteins, most of the rest is "Junk DNA" which serves no purpose except in the context of a long-term evolutionary process. We have the same exogenous retroviruses (viruses that found their way into our genes) that our more close living relatives do. If we were "put here" by intelligent creators, one can only wonder they put all the unmistakable hallmarks of a long evolutionary history into our genome?

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I used to listen regularly to Coast To Coast. In the last 3 years I've been too busy though. I will look into this, as I have been reading lots and lots of books, and articles on ancient civilizations, ruins found and theories / arguments about lost and hidden cities, etc. etc. very interesting ...

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