The war must be won...

The terrorists are gone. Oh wait...They're there because we are...

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Perhaps Ramadan had something to do with it

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Originally posted by Krypton The war must be won... The terrorists are gone. Oh wait...They're there because we are...

I dont mean to offend anyone, but if you think that our troops withdrawal will prompt retreat from the resistance side as well, you must be stoned or stupid

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Perhaps Ramadan had something to do with it

mmmm... I dont think so. Whats more impressive about this is that if you look at military reports the attacks on our troops have been more sophisticated than in the past. In terms of weaponry and armory used, the result of this is Irans increasement of aid to these thugs.

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

Oh, wait ... so since the civilian casualties have dropped off, we can now completely forget about the 1 million+ civilians who have died so far under US occupation ... those deaths never happened, and now the 10,000 civilian deaths a month is just fine and dandy. Problem solved!


I bet that when they were doing those numbers in June 2006 for lowest casualties total, they didnt consider the upcoming months and more violence ... and heck, Ramadan is just about here. Give it a few months, and everyone will forget about this story, just like they did in June of 2006 ...

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Originally posted by LatinLover I dont mean to offend anyone, but if you think that our troops withdrawal will prompt retreat from the resistance side as well, you must be stoned or stupid

I don't care if the resistance retreats. It's an Iraqi matter. an IRAQI matter..

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Originally posted by Krypton I don't care if the resistance retreats. It's an Iraqi matter. an IRAQI matter..

Dude I thought that some people were totally flawed with their view on the issue. I must say, you are by far the the worse

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

Last edited by LatinLover on Oct-02-2007 at 17:59

Releaseing some pressure about Oil.

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Greenspan admits Iraq was about oil, as deaths put at 1.2m Peter Beaumont and Joanna Walters in New York Sunday September 16, 2007 The Observer The man once regarded as the world's most powerful banker has bluntly declared that the Iraq war was 'largely' about oil. Appointed by Ronald Reagan in 1987 and retired last year after serving four presidents,Alan Greenspan has been the leading Republican economist for a generation and his utterings instantly moved world markets. In his long-awaited memoir - out tomorrow in the US - Greenspan, 81, who served as chairman of the US Federal Reserve for almost two decades, writes:'I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.' In The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World, he is also crystal clear on his opinion of his last two bosses, harshly criticising George W Bush for 'abandoning fiscal constraint' and praising Bill Clinton's anti-deficit policies during the Nineties as 'an act of political courage'. He also speaks of Clinton's sharp and 'curious' mind, and 'old-fashioned' caution about the dangers of debt. Greenspan's damning comments about the war come as a survey of Iraqis, which was released last week, claims that up to 1.2 million people may have died because of the conflict in Iraq - lending weight to a 2006 survey in the Lancet that reported similarly high levels. More than one million deaths were already being suggested by anti-war campaigners, but such high counts have consistently been rejected by US and UK officials. The estimates, extrapolated from a sample of 1,461 adults around the country, were collected by a British polling agency, ORB, which asked a random selection of Iraqis how many people living in their household had died as a result of the violence rather than from natural causes. Previous estimates gave a range between 390,000 and 940,000, the most prominent of which - collected by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and reported in the Lancet in October 2006 - suggested 654,965 deaths. Although the household survey was carried out by a polling organisation, rather than researchers, it has again raised the spectre that the 2003 invasion has caused a far more substantial death toll than officially acknowledged. The ORB survey follows an earlier report by the organisation which suggested that one in four Iraqi adults had lost a family member to violence. The latest survey suggests that in Baghdad that number is as high as one in two. If true, these latest figures would suggest the death toll in Iraq now exceeds that of the Rwandan genocide in which about 800,000 died. The Lancet survey was criticised by some experts and by George Bush and British officials. In private, however, the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser Sir Roy Anderson described it as 'close to best practice'.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worl...2170237,00.html

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Originally posted by LatinLover Dude I thought that some people were totally flawed with their view on the issue. I must say, you are by far the the worse

You have never explained the rationale for an occupation. My views are based on respect of national sovereignty, and international law. You just repeat the Republican Party line in defense of the failures of the Bush administration.

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A one month decline is wonderful, just wonderful. Of course everyone including Bush knew full well that the SURGE! would temporarily decrease death counts, which is in of itself promising. It was also predicted well in advance based on prior movement patterns that the insurgents would merely blend right in and/or move towards other territories. They are well experienced in the game of whackamole, which we cannot sustain because the SURGE! cannot be maintained secondary to tour limits of 15 months, and consequently the inevitable redeployment of the SURGE! forces will begin in a few months. Which brings us back to where we started oh so very soon.

Then what?

Oh, and considering there's likely still "thousands" leaving Iraq every day:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15247511/

That certainly leaves a few less to kill, don't it? The numbers I have are almost 2 million from last January:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01...102refugees.php

And things only seemingly went up on displaced Iraqi citizens since the troop SURGE!:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08...24displaced.php

And finally, let's take a broader perspective and compare deaths by year:

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U.S. Casualties By Calendar Year Year US Deaths US Wounded 2003--486------- 2,408 2004--849------- 8,003 2005--846------- 5,948 2006--822------- 6,398 2007--801------- 4,996 Total 3804------ 27753 http://icasualties.org/oif/

And we've still got three months to go in '07. Swell, ain't it?

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Originally posted by LatinLover I dont mean to offend anyone, but if you think that our troops withdrawal will prompt retreat from the resistance side as well, you must be stoned or stupid

Is that how you think debates work? You post an article, don't contribute with an opinion whatsoever, and then - with no intention of offending anyone, you claim that an opinion different from yours must've come from someone either stoned or stupid?

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