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Originally posted by CHRles http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exe...FD645096470.htm So now he thinks Israel should be moved to Europe, Canada, or Alaska, LOL. Riiiight, that'll happen just as soon as Iran is moved to Mars or Venus. Or maybe he thinks the Palestinians should be moved to Europe, Canada, or Alaska. Ahmadinejad is

He's held this view for a long time. But it's not a matter of thinking it "should be" but "should have been".

His argument is solid. His position with respect to the creation of Israel is that at the time of inception a Jewish state should have been carved out of Germany or another European state because they were the ones who caried out the Holocaust.

He further points out that displacing the Palistinians was illogical because the Palistinians had no part in the percecution of the Jews in WWII.

What he fails to address is that the reason Israel was created because of the religious associations.

They thought about putting Israel somewhere in Africa before it was actually made in the middle east.
Not that big of a suprise.

I think we should just give them Alabama

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Originally posted by mndeg They thought about putting Israel somewhere in Africa before it was actually made in the middle east.

That would be part of what was then British Uganda (though today is actually situated in Kenya), which was turned down as an idea during a Jewish summit in Basel, Switzerland circa 1905. It was offered to the Jews a couple of years earlier following growing anti-semitic violence towards the Jews in Russia. It was put as an option on the table again during World War II.

The movement to migrate to Israel, buy up lands, and work the land living side by side with the local Arab population, predates the notion of a Jewish state in Africa. Zionism was started and implemented 20-30 years earlier. It should be noted that many of its pioneers were actually non-religious European Jews living at a time of growing hostility towards anyone with Jewish roots. Most Jews that fled Europe at that time moved to the US, or parts of Latin America. There was a growing movement however for the need to have a Jewish state, and naturally Israel was the first to come to mind. Like British Uganda, the land of Israel (then known as Palestine) was under British control (earlier by Turkish control). The events of World War II lead most Jews and the Western world to conclude that Israel should become a land for the Jews.
The Jewish population in Israel by the mid 1940s couldnt be ignored, and the UN recognized the modern state of Israel. The idea then of a Jewish state in another part of the world becomes pretty irrelevant and obsolete.

At the same time, Israelis are more and more divided on the subject of what it means to be Israeli, and what Israel's boundaries are.
A pretty good article that shines light on this subject can be found at:
http://www.meforum.org/article/397

Right, I think you pretty much proved the point that Israel is an arbitrary demarcation in the eyes of many residents of the Middle East. I think he asks a perfectly relevant question when he asks why Israel was just plopped down in the Middle East without defering to the native population for consent. If it was a Western idea, why isn't Israel located in the West?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Right, I think you pretty much proved the point that Israel is an arbitrary demarcation in the eyes of many residents of the Middle East. I think he asks a perfectly relevant question when he asks why Israel was just plopped down in the Middle East without defering to the native population for consent. If it was a Western idea, why isn't Israel located in the West?

Well that's pretty simple.
The Jews have as much religious history as the Arabs (and Christians) in that part of the world as anyone else.
I'm sure at the time of the decision, it only made sense.

Ahmadinejad's current line of questioning history is like trying to pull a Mastodon out of the tar pit; it ain't happenin'.

What he should be questioning is how to get a long a little better with the situation that exists and isn't going any place.
If I didn't know any better, I'd think he was jealous with what the Jews have been able to accomplish with what they were given by the World.

Besides, Ahmadinejad needs to learn some statistics.
There are just as many Jews in America as there are in Israel so to even suggest that the Jews move West just shows ignorance on his behalf...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Well that's pretty simple. The Jews have as much religious history as the Arabs (and Christians) in that part of the world as anyone else. I'm sure at the time of the decision, it only made sense.

From what I understand, they tried to find Jews an uninhabited spot, where they could settle without major problems, but they wanted to go back to their original land even though they had been driven out to other regions some time ago. In the world's most unstable region. It doesn't seem like a good idea now, then, or even before that

No matter how important their religion is for them, and how fair it is to give them land, that was the one of the worst spots they could've ever chosen.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Besides, Ahmadinejad needs to learn some statistics. There are just as many Jews in America as there are in Israel so to even suggest that the Jews move West just shows ignorance on his behalf...

Not really, it would only make things easier, even though it is already impossible now

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Jews in the west aren't forming an IDF to terrorize the citizens so it's not that bad.

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Originally posted by mndeg Jews in the west aren't forming an IDF to terrorize the citizens so it's not that bad.

I wonder why that is?

/the question may seem a little rhetorical, but not really...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Well that's pretty simple. The Jews have as much religious history as the Arabs (and Christians) in that part of the world as anyone else. I'm sure at the time of the decision, it only made sense. Ahmadinejad's current line of questioning history is like trying to pull a Mastodon out of the tar pit; it ain't happenin'. What he should be questioning is how to get a long a little better with the situation that exists and isn't going any place. If I didn't know any better, I'd think he was jealous with what the Jews have been able to accomplish with what they were given by the World. Besides, Ahmadinejad needs to learn some statistics. There are just as many Jews in America as there are in Israel so to even suggest that the Jews move West just shows ignorance on his behalf...

Zionism NATIONALIZED judaism.. its a new phenomena that was succeeded by these religious jewish colonizers. If the christians and muslims have a religious right to that place.. why is it majority jewish? Why are there laws that try topreserve the jewish character.... BECUASE THEY STOLE THAT LAND FROM THE PALESTINIANS

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