HA! Do you actually think they want to stop terrorism? The more terrorism we incite, the more we can plunder the middle east with public conset. People will give up their rights for the feeling of security, so the War on Terror is one step forward in the march toward the corporate police state, whereby the people surrender their rights for the promise of security, from an enemy not our own, but of secret powers.

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And the game of denial begins...with the White House taking the lead. Boy, this is going to get ugly. And I hope it does.

People behind such mindless acts need to be held accountable and publicly humiliated (and ofcourse prosecuted, but that comes later)

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Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

With the privatization of intelligence this was only a matter of time.

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Originally posted by Krypton HA! Do you actually think they want to stop terrorism? The more terrorism we incite, the more we can plunder the middle east with public conset. People will give up their rights for the feeling of security, so the War on Terror is one step forward in the march toward the corporate police state, whereby the people surrender their rights for the promise of security, from an enemy not our own, but of secret powers.

The fact that this was leaked from a Bush staffer to Faux News, our government's biggest supporter and fear-mongering cheerleader, shouldn't be missed either.

But hey, this Administration NEVER politicizes terrorism. Never.



Ever.








.....no, really.



Never..........

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov With the privatization of intelligence this was only a matter of time.

Normally I would agree, but this situation doesn't appear to fit your implication. The passing of information to our Administration by this private firm was not where the leak occurred. Rather, it was after it was passed into the Administration and then a staff member of the Administration proceeded to leak it out to Faux News.

So even if our government intelligence agencies picked up this info., the leak would likely still have occurred once the Administration got wind of it since the breakdown was within the Administration itself.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Normally I would agree, but this situation doesn't appear to fit your implication. The passing of information to our Administration by this private firm was not where the leak occurred. Rather, it was after it was passed into the Administration and then a staff member of the Administration proceeded to leak it out to Faux News. So even if our government intelligence agencies picked up this info., the leak would likely still have occurred once the Administration got wind of it since the breakdown was within the Administration itself.

That's actually a good distinction. It's interesting that even though other private consulting firms were downloading the material as well, the leak still came from the government. You're right to wonder if something is amiss here.

But still, the privatization of intelligence and defense is something that really scares me. There's no accountability (reference Blackwater), and there's also only the implied loyalty toward whatever government they contract with. There's no real obligation not to provide information or defense only to the highest international bidder.

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The denials begin...

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2007100...ntelligenceleak

White House denies leaking info that hurt Al-Qaeda spying

2 hours, 46 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The White House on Tuesday denied being the source of a leak involving an Osama bin Laden video that a private intelligence firm said had sabotaged its secret ability to intercept Al-Qaeda messages.

Asked if the White House was the source of the leak, spokeswoman Dana Perino said: "No, we were not ... We were very concerned to learn about it."

The SITE Intelligence Group said it lost access that it had covertly acquired to Al-Qaeda's communications network when the administration of President George W. Bush let out that the company had obtained a bin Laden video early last month ahead of its official release, the Washington Post said.

"Techniques that took years to develop are now ineffective and worthless," SITE founder Rita Katz told the newspaper.

SITE monitors websites and public communications linked to radical Islamist groups and organizations deemed terrorist by US authorities and provides the information to clients, including news media companies.

It got hold of the bin Laden video before its release and provided it for free to the White House on the morning of September 7 but insisted that the video's existence remain secret until it spotted the official release, in order to protect its own work.

"Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company's website," the Post said.

By that afternoon the video and a transcript from it had been leaked to a cable television news network and broadcast worldwide, the Post reported.

According to Katz, this tipped off Al-Qaeda that its communications security had been breached by SITE.

White House officials said the matter would be referred to the Director of National Intelligence, and that the White House was not planning any internal investigation.

"When the White House receives information from an individual or a company, we refer that appropriately to the intelligence community. That's what happened here," Perino said.

"And I'll have to refer you to the Director on National Intelligence for any process problem they had in that regard."

Homeland security adviser Fran Townsend echoed Perino's "concern" and referred the matter to the nation's spy chief.

"This is going to be an issue for the DNI to look at so that we can understand what, if anything, happened, and how to deal with it to ensure that we fully protect those who cooperate with us," Townsend said.

"I haven't looked at the internal White House emails, so what I can tell you is the DNI and the Intelligence Committee will need to look at who had access to it.

She added: "We are only going to be successful in the war on terror with the help of the American people."

The video appeared to be timed to coincide with the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the United States, and was bin Laden's first video appearance since October 2004.

In it, the elusive Al-Qaeda chief mocked the United States as "weak" and vowed to escalate fighting in Iraq.

Another US-based organization that monitors Islamic militant websites, IntelCenter, said its "sources, methods and techniques ... to collect terrorist video material remain intact," according to CEO Ben Venzke, who added that the focus on rushing videos to the public could have dangerous consequences.

"Simply getting the video first but not having the professional knowledge and responsibilities to know what to do with it can not only result in the loss of valuable intelligence but it can actually harm ongoing activities within the official counterterrorism community," he said.

This "has happened time and time again when private citizens and organizations outside of the IC (intelligence community) play in fields where they lack the depth and experience."

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Either way, the administration looks like a patsy.

Personally, if I was going to 'leak' information, I'd be using it to find my own leak.

Hopefully the administration finds the media mole and hangs them out to dry...

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Originally posted by Krypton The denials begin... -------------------------------------------------------------- http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2007100...ntelligenceleak White House denies leaking info that hurt Al-Qaeda spying 2 hours, 46 minutes ago WASHINGTON (AFP) - The White House on Tuesday denied being the source of a leak involving an Osama bin Laden video that a private intelligence firm said had sabotaged its secret ability to intercept Al-Qaeda messages. Asked if the White House was the source of the leak, spokeswoman Dana Perino said: "No, we were not ... We were very concerned to learn about it." The SITE Intelligence Group said it lost access that it had covertly acquired to Al-Qaeda's communications network when the administration of President George W. Bush let out that the company had obtained a bin Laden video early last month ahead of its official release, the Washington Post said. "Techniques that took years to develop are now ineffective and worthless," SITE founder Rita Katz told the newspaper. SITE monitors websites and public communications linked to radical Islamist groups and organizations deemed terrorist by US authorities and provides the information to clients, including news media companies. It got hold of the bin Laden video before its release and provided it for free to the White House on the morning of September 7 but insisted that the video's existence remain secret until it spotted the official release, in order to protect its own work. "Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company's website," the Post said. By that afternoon the video and a transcript from it had been leaked to a cable television news network and broadcast worldwide, the Post reported. According to Katz, this tipped off Al-Qaeda that its communications security had been breached by SITE. White House officials said the matter would be referred to the Director of National Intelligence, and that the White House was not planning any internal investigation. "When the White House receives information from an individual or a company, we refer that appropriately to the intelligence community. That's what happened here," Perino said. "And I'll have to refer you to the Director on National Intelligence for any process problem they had in that regard." Homeland security adviser Fran Townsend echoed Perino's "concern" and referred the matter to the nation's spy chief. "This is going to be an issue for the DNI to look at so that we can understand what, if anything, happened, and how to deal with it to ensure that we fully protect those who cooperate with us," Townsend said. "I haven't looked at the internal White House emails, so what I can tell you is the DNI and the Intelligence Committee will need to look at who had access to it. She added: "We are only going to be successful in the war on terror with the help of the American people." The video appeared to be timed to coincide with the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the United States, and was bin Laden's first video appearance since October 2004. In it, the elusive Al-Qaeda chief mocked the United States as "weak" and vowed to escalate fighting in Iraq. Another US-based organization that monitors Islamic militant websites, IntelCenter, said its "sources, methods and techniques ... to collect terrorist video material remain intact," according to CEO Ben Venzke, who added that the focus on rushing videos to the public could have dangerous consequences. "Simply getting the video first but not having the professional knowledge and responsibilities to know what to do with it can not only result in the loss of valuable intelligence but it can actually harm ongoing activities within the official counterterrorism community," he said. This "has happened time and time again when private citizens and organizations outside of the IC (intelligence community) play in fields where they lack the depth and experience."

Oh, come on. Of course the administration didn't leak this info and these SITE people are making this all up. Being government contractors, they've got everything to gain by criticizing the people that pay them.

It's even more obvious why we have to wiretap, since we compromise our legal methods through incompetence.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Either way, the administration looks like a patsy. Personally, if I was going to 'leak' information, I'd be using it to find my own leak. Hopefully the administration finds the media mole and hangs them out to dry...

Five hours.

Five fucking hours Fir3start3r. It took someone in this Administration a whole stinking five hours to pass on this information to their favorite cheerleader, Faux News.

A media mole? Perhaps we need to find the ADMINISTRATION mole(s) who was so willing to leak this information out?

And BTW, why didn't we hear not a fucking drop of anything from this Administration on this IMMEDIATELY IF we were to assume that the media somehow intercepted this without someone in the Admin. tipping them off? Did you hear a word about this from anyone in this Admin. before the SITE people came forward and exposed this Administration for their major fuck-up?

Because one would assume that this Administration would be steaming mad as hell and would want to out those traitors at Faux News for exposing State Secrets like this, don't you think?

But that's not what happened, was it? This SITE people came down and unzipped this Administration's fly by going public with this Admin's fuck-up instead. Funny that.

And are we to really be surprised by the Press Secretary to say anything else but, "Nope, wasn't us. Hey, look over there, it's Sasquatch!!!!"

*******runs out of room*******

When has anyone in this Administration ever taken responsibility for their blunders?

And just in case you're questioning how atrocious this might be, keep in mind the strange propensity of this Administration politicizing their War on Terra in efforts for a little "boost", such as that lovely Pakistani source that got burned before the 2004 election:

http://www.juancole.com/2004_08_01_...185597245383648

And a certain CIA covert operative also comes to mind after her husband exposed our dear leader's Iraq nuke capability bullshit too. What was her name.........

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with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Five hours. Five fucking hours Fir3start3r. It took someone in this Administration a whole stinking five hours to pass on this information to their favorite cheerleader, Faux News. A media mole? Perhaps we need to find the ADMINISTRATION mole(s) who was so willing to leak this information out? And BTW, why didn't we hear not a fucking drop of anything from this Administration on this IMMEDIATELY IF we were to assume that the media somehow intercepted this without someone in the Admin. tipping them off? Did you hear a word about this from anyone in this Admin. before the SITE people came forward and exposed this Administration for their major fuck-up? Because one would assume that this Administration would be steaming mad as hell and would want to out those traitors at Faux News for exposing State Secrets like this, don't you think? But that's not what happened, was it? This SITE people came down and unzipped this Administration's fly by going public with this Admin's fuck-up instead. Funny that. And are we to really be surprised by the Press Secretary to say anything else but, "Nope, wasn't us. Hey, look over there, it's Sasquatch!!!!" *******runs out of room******* When has anyone in this Administration ever taken responsibility for their blunders? And just in case you're questioning how atrocious this might be, keep in mind the strange propensity of this Administration politicizing their War on Terra in efforts for a little "boost", such as that lovely Pakistani source that got burned before the 2004 election: http://www.juancole.com/2004_08_01_...185597245383648 And a certain CIA covert operative also comes to mind after her husband exposed our dear leader's Iraq nuke capability bullshit too. What was her name.........

So the fact that they're actually investigating doesn't mean anything then?
Doesn't that, in fact, advocate responsibility in some way despite what the political press is taking everyone?

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."