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Sound O fTrance
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Legal question regarding a remix of the band 'Muse"......

I am sure you guys have heard of the band Muse....

Well I want to remix an original track of theirs... and use it for promotional purposes (send it out to dj's, put it in my sets etc.)

Is this legal? Would i face any problems in doing such a thing...?


Thanks for any help!

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Eric J
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Strictly speaking, it is not legal without permission.

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Sanguis Mortuum
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quote:
Originally posted by Eric J
Strictly speaking, it is not legal without permission.


Yeah, technically its not legal. I think if you just play it in your sets then, although still illegal, you might be able to get away with it. If you start sending it to other DJs though, again you might be okay, but it gets a bit dodgier. And of course, if you actually try to sell it or make money from it, you'll get fucked

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Mr.Mystery
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It's legal for strictly personal use.


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iammesol
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Just don't sell it/a mix cd it is on.

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Storyteller
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
It's legal for strictly personal use.


No it isn't. It's a crime. Disrigarding copyright is a crime. Remixing a track without permission is just that.

It's exactly as Sanguis Mortuum said. Officially speaking you would need (written) permissen of the owner of the master copy/rights. This often is the record label. However, if you're not selling it, it is very unlikely to get into trouble .


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From the point of view of the law, I dont see how it is any different to using the original in a mix cd, as what constitutes a remix? If you even use the 'original mix' on a mix CD it is no longer in its original format anyway as it will contain elements of other tracks.

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Re: Legal question regarding a remix of the band 'Muse"......

quote:
Originally posted by Sound O fTrance
I am sure you guys have heard of the band Muse....


nope.


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Sanguis Mortuum
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Originally posted by the_gamemaster
From the point of view of the law, I dont see how it is any different to using the original in a mix cd, as what constitutes a remix? If you even use the 'original mix' on a mix CD it is no longer in its original format anyway as it will contain elements of other tracks.


If you use the original in a mix CD, then you redistribute that mix CD without express consent of the original copyright holders, then you are breaking the law.

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But thats what most people do, and I havent heard of any DJ's being arrested for giving demos to promoters, so my point is if theres no difference between the two, there shouldnt be a problem.

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Eric J
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quote:
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But thats what most people do, and I havent heard of any DJ's being arrested for giving demos to promoters, so my point is if theres no difference between the two, there shouldnt be a problem.


Technically that IS against the law. There have been cases where publishing companies have sought royalties from club who's DJ's are playing their records. If you look at the fine print on the label of a lot of records, there will be a note on there that says something like "public performance prohibited with out the express written content of whoever publishing." There are many reasons DJ's do not get in trouble for this. Some are:


  • It is to the labels/publishers advange to have their music played in a club setting, therefore they do not sue. This is especially true for EDM.
  • The DJ is NOT making a mixed CD and making a profit off of the work
  • The cost of filing a lawsuit is not justified, especially for small labels.


If you were to make a mixed CD for sale in a commercial venue, such as on amazon .com or whatever, you are forced to clear the rights to every track on that mixed CD and you have to negotiate with the publishing company for each track on that mixed CD. This is also a major reason why a lot of artists who put out mixed CD's play a lot of tracks from their own labels\. John Digweed and Sasha were particularly notorious for this by playing lots of tracks off of Bedrock records, which is a label that John owns.

Just because the label does not sue, does not mean it is not against the law. If I run a red light at 3AM with no one watching, I have still broken the law, I just didn't get caught. Remember that the laws in most countries and international law also do not allow ignorance of the law as an excuse for breaking it.

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Mr.Mystery
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quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller
No it isn't. It's a crime. Disrigarding copyright is a crime. Remixing a track without permission is just that.

Sure.


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