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DJ Shibby
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texas: they were shocked! just shocked!

"Dallas police officers were surprised when the Secret Service called a halt to screening people for weapons over an hour before Sen. Barack Obama went onstage for a rally at Reunion Arena."

Old Post Feb-23-2008 11:06  United States
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pmoisse
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This does indeed sound shady on behalf of the SS. Why would they do that?

Do they want him to get shot?!


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Old Post Feb-23-2008 11:44  Canada
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Like they give a fuck.


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This does indeed sound shady on behalf of the SS. Why would they do that?

Do they want him to get shot?!

No kidding, you should hear the kind of stuff said about Obama here in the south because he's black. Old school racism is still very much alive in the south.


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No kidding, you should hear the kind of stuff said about Obama here in the south because he's black. Old school racism is still very much alive in the south.


What does that say about Hillary if he still did well in the Texas debates?



Still, it's a shame that hate like this still exists and is a hurdle to progress in this day and age.

it will be mankind's undoing - just a matter of time.


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DJ Shibby
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There's an even bigger underlying issue here being exploited that is easy to miss.

It's the same thing that makes me hold Bush partly if not mostly accountable for the 9/11 disaster.

Controlled Apathy.

Purposefully stopping a certain sector of government from protecting a target and then whistling when it is annihilated.

Hopefully Obama does not become a martyr, because I'd like to think we're a little better than Pakistan. Aren't we...?

I don't believe he will be assassinated by a citizen for the same reason a citizen has not yet assassinated Bush. And it's a good thing, even if the reason is missplaced; I just wish the reason was integrity and not complacency and fear.

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We are all human. You can't say we are inherently better than Pakistan.


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this thread gets a big yawn

quote:
Secret Service defends security strategy at rally in Reunion Arena


By JACK DOUGLAS Jr.
Star-Telegram staff writer
EDITOR'S NOTE: Comments are flooding in on the original version of this story. » TAKE ME THERE

The U.S. Secret Service on Friday defended its handling of security during a huge rally in downtown Dallas for Barack Obama, saying there was no "lapse" in its "comprehensive and layered security plan," which called for some people to be checked for weapons while others were not.

A report in the Star-Telegram that said some security measures were lifted during Wednesday's rally sparked a public outrage across the country, with most people saying they were shocked that a routine weapons search was lifted at the front gates of Reunion Arena an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage.

"This relaxed security was unbelievably stupid, especially in Dallas," Jeff Adams of Berkeley, Calif., said in an e-mail, noting the assassination of President Kennedy in Dallas more than four decades ago.

Others said they had attended large political events in the recent past, many of them for Obama, where security screening was halted.

Jeremy Dibbell of Boston said in an e-mail that he attended an Obama event in Boston and "the same thing happened there. We waited for hours in line as people were screened, and then suddenly everyone was just allowed in without going through any inspection at all."

Nick Shapiro, a spokesman for Obama in Texas, said the campaign would have no comment on whether there was a security breach in Dallas. He referred questions to the Secret Service.

Jessica Santillo, spokeswoman for Hillary Clinton in Texas, said the Clinton campaign works with the Secret Service to "protect the safety of everyone who attends our campaign events."

'No security lapses'

Eric Zahren, a spokesman for the Secret Service in Washington, said precautionary measures went as planned for the Obama rally. "There were no security lapses at that venue," Zahren said. There was "no deviation" from the "comprehensive and layered" plan, implemented in "very close cooperation with our law enforcement partners," he added.

Zahren rebutted suggestions by several Dallas police officers at the rally who thought the Secret Service ordered a halt to the timeconsuming weapons check because long lines were moving slowly and many seats remained empty as the time was nearing for Obama to appear.

"It was never a part of the plan at this particular venue to have each and every person in the crowd pass through the Magnetometer," Zahren said, referring to the device used to detect metal in clothing and bags.

Asked whether the Secret Service would re-evaluate its security procedures at such events, he said, "We're always re-evaluating security measures ... and we make adjustments as necessary."

A security 'success'

The Dallas Police Department said in a statement Friday that the Obama rally was a "success from a police standpoint." Lt. V.L. Hale III, a spokesman for the force, also said in the statement that city officers were not in charge of the metal detectors. He declined to comment further on security issues.

The Secret Service may have been doing all it could at the rally, said Keith Howse, a lawyer and consultant for security concerns and a former assistant police chief for the sprawling Baylor Health Care System.

Howse, who was not at the rally, said the Secret Service may have been screening the people closest to the candidate while letting others go in unchecked who were seated far away in the spacious, 17,000-seat arena.

"It may have ended up not being the best of all worlds, but it might not have been a flat-out security breach," he said, adding: "I think it's important to understand that the Secret Service would not sink below minimum protection" for a presidential candidate.

On Friday, Clinton appeared at outside rallies in Dallas and downtown Fort Worth.

Bomb-sniffing dogs searched the grounds at both locations, and federal sharpshooters were perched atop buildings, but those in attendance were not routinely searched for weapons.
http://www.star-telegram.com/dallas...ory/490522.html

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We are all human. You can't say we are inherently better than Pakistan.


Aye.

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