people can say stuff like "ya might wanna try...." before their suggestions and it comes out a lot less arrogant...

everyone wants everyone else to do things just like them...

everyone these days thinks that side-chaining is the holy grail of a fat bottom end... blah blah blah...

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Originally posted by cryophonik Am I the only that gets annoyed by this?

Yes. You're the only one that didn't get a copy of the rulebook. That's why.

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Well, it depends on what stage of their development the person who's receiving the feedback is at. If they're sufficiently far along, they'll be able to see these critiques for what they're worth.

If one person tells them to turn up their kick drum, fine. If on their next song, a different person tells them to turn up their kick drum, that's interesting. If it keeps coming up, that's something to focus on.

If it's just an isolated comment on a forum, I don't think people would go "this person obviously knows for sure, I'm definitely going to turn up my kick drum".

Forums are filled with misinformation, I'd hope anyone posting their songs would be aware of this, be aware of the sound they're aiming for, and not just act blindly.

You cretin, you should know that you always need to turn up the kick, sidechain the bassline, and add more reverb. And if you've already done it then you need to add more kick and sidechain and reverb. In fact, a good track should be nothing but a kick and a sidechained bass and vocals drowned in reverb. What else do you need?

Actually, hell, forget the vocals and reverb, just make your track 7 layers of kicks and sidechained basses.

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I figure if I talk about nonsense like "developing one's own artistic voice" then that'll throw them off the track for a while, while we're busy making tracks with only kicks and basses, with everything sidechaining everything else, and raking in the megabucks.

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Originally posted by DigiNut You cretin, you should know that you always need to turn up the kick, sidechain the bassline, and add more reverb. And if you've already done it then you need to add more kick and sidechain and reverb. In fact, a good track should be nothing but a kick and a sidechained bass and vocals drowned in reverb. What else do you need? Actually, hell, forget the vocals and reverb, just make your track 7 layers of kicks and sidechained basses.

More analog, duh!

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery More analog, duh!

And Sidechain that bad motha--shut yo mouth!

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Originally posted by DigiNut You cretin, you should know that you always need to turn up the kick, sidechain the bassline, and add more reverb. And if you've already done it then you need to add more kick and sidechain and reverb. In fact, a good track should be nothing but a kick and a sidechained bass and vocals drowned in reverb. What else do you need? Actually, hell, forget the vocals and reverb, just make your track 7 layers of kicks and sidechained basses.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Actually, hell, forget the vocals and reverb, just make your track 7 layers of kicks and sidechained basses.

...and become a mnml superstar! Don't forget the coke.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Apparently, I never received a copy, or maybe I did, but accidentally used it as toilet paper. What is up with people on this and other songs forums telling other people what they 'need' to do with their productions? I find myself getting more and more annoyed at critiques of songs that have statements such as: -You need to turn up the kick drum -You need to add more reverb to the vocals -You need to sidechain the bass -You need to 'fix' the pads (Why? Are they broke? Procreating uncontrollably?) Offering suggestions is one thing, but for someone to put their opinions in such finite terms is a little arrogant, dontcha think? Am I the only that gets annoyed by this? Note: this is not aimed at anyone in particular, nor is it in response to any comments about any of my songs (which are perfect, btw ). Just a general observation.

Whilst I understand your point, going by the examples you give, I don't fully agree. If a certain area of a track is wrong and needs to be fixed, then telling the producer what they must do is perfectly okay.

In the example of " You need to turn up the kick drum". If the kick is clearly too quiet and not due to any creative decision but obviously a fault in the mixing, then the kick does need to be turned up and there is nothing wrong in telling the artist that in certain terms.

I do agree that for anything that could be a creative thing, the artist should never be told what to do, but in areas that are clear technical or mixing errors then I don't see a problem with it.

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