Could one of you fine folks record up a sample of successfully beatmatching? Only thing is, I'd like for it to be flat(No EQing)...I get the feeling that I might be doing something wrong, and I want to be sure.
I mean, the tracks stay in time, but I have to EQ the bass out(phase cancellation and whatnot), and when I do there's still a very sharp *click* on each beat.

Any help/samples appreciated.
(Note that I am using CDJ-200s and a Korg KM202.

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you probably should eq


your levels will spike otherwise

Well, I do EQ...But as I said, a prominently annoying click remains on the beat... :|

EDIT: Moreover, EQing the higher stuff takes out the sheen of the track.

Um, my mixer has different EQ presets, is there a range that you might recommend?
Here they are:
KM-Q
HI: -25dB - +15dB MID: -25dB - +15dB LO: -25dB - +15dB

Round-Q
HI: -28dB - +12dB MID: -28dB - +12dB LO: -28dB - +12dB

Boost
HI: -20dB - +18dB MID: -12dB - +12dB LO: -20dB - +18dB

Slamming
HI: -30dB - +6dB MID: -30dB - +6dB LO: -60dB - +6dB

Isolator(Uses a trapezoidal curve)
HI:-[infintity]dB - +9dB MID:-[infintity]dB - +9dB LO:-[infintity]dB - +9dB

Hyped(Uses a gradual curve)
HI:-[infintity]dB - +9dB MID:-[infintity]dB - +9dB LO:-[infintity]dB - +9dB

Thanks for any suggestions

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Last edited by ReclusNdangrmnt on Jul-09-2008 at 04:49

The Pioneer DJM-500 goes from -20 to +12 which is like Boost on your mixer. Not sure what that click sound is. I'll see if I can get a sample up sometime.

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt Could one of you fine folks record up a sample of successfully beatmatching? Only thing is, I'd like for it to be flat(No EQing)...I get the feeling that I might be doing something wrong, and I want to be sure. I mean, the tracks stay in time, but I have to EQ the bass out(phase cancellation and whatnot), and when I do there's still a very sharp *click* on each beat. Any help/samples appreciated. (Note that I am using CDJ-200s and a Korg KM202.

Any chance you can post a sample? It's hard to tell without hearing it... Is it happening on ALL your mixes?

It's hit and miss. Luckily I try to record as much of my mixing as possible, so I think I've got a sample of this...I'll edit this post with a link.

EDIT:
Alright, here's a .wav(Didn't want compression to misconstrue us all )(Only 6-7MB)

http://files.filefront.com/exwav/;10984779;/fileinfo.html

Kicks in around 30 seconds.
Songs are Luminary-Amsterdamn(Smith and Pledger remix) and Free Radical-Surreal(En-Motion remix)
Both songs used were in CD-quality format.

My beatmatching has improved a lot since then...But this still haunts me occasionally, and I'm trying to finish a summer mix 'n such ...Hopefully it's some quick fix. Again, many thanks for the help.

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Last edited by ReclusNdangrmnt on Jul-09-2008 at 05:41

You are hearing the high end of the kick. It's like throwing a highpass filter on a kick beat... you'd basically be left with a clicking sound. That is what you are hearing as you are switching the bass frequencies. 2 things... ensure your bass is balanced. When one fades out faster than the other fades in, what is left of the kick is a pop/click. Second, watch your mids, this is where the click actually resides when the bass isn't balanced. Hear it fade as you flip the bass in from the second track.

Duly noted. I suppose there are many kicks that are a pain in this regard, more so than others...
Just keep on my toes then :P

Thanks for the help

Any advice with regards to what EQ setting I should use? Or just whatever I want?

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt Duly noted. I suppose there are many kicks that are a pain in this regard, more so than others... Just keep on my toes then :P Thanks for the help Any advice with regards to what EQ setting I should use? Or just whatever I want?

Personally I like the look of the Round EQ because I tend to cut frequencies when mixing more than boosting (why I'd choose it over the first option)... and by the looks of it, the Round EQ gives you a more aggressive cut, along with a balanced spectrum on the hi, mid, low. Your call - whatever sounds best, but just looking at the numbers, that'd be my preference.

Alrighty. Cheers.

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You DO NOT NEED TO EQ a mix for it to sound proper.

EQ is like salt, a little here, a little there.

You can mix VERY nicely using just the upfaders. The gain structure of DJ mixers is such that you can bring two tracks in and have quite a bit of control without peaking the levels... unless of course you are just throwing the fader all the way up (which you shouldn't do anyway).

Try practicing without EQ's first, focus on your gains and levels, and when you should subtly switch the faders a bit on the top end. DJ's did this for many, many years (including folks like Sasha and Digweed on Twilo's UREI 1620, which doesn't have EQ's).

Over time mixers like the 1620 were complimented with a separate 3 band isolator on the master, which would allow you to do things like drop the bass a tad or do some drop effects... modern mixers with EQ's on every channel let you be more creative, but it's not "necessary" to EQ on every mix.

why dont you try every eq setting and see for yourself? its best to get a good feel