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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox sometimes its just too hard to get a unique sonic character.

You're not trying hard enough. Seriously. You will be better off learning how to program sounds yourself, and not rely on sound pack samples. Just learn how to program a synth PROPERLYY. I mean, every single parameter it has. Sample pack leads = lazy/unoriginal

Just my opinion

i'm with ya Robby... some sounds you just can't get out of what you got. for me its not so much standard synth sounds but the really bizarre ones where you go 'i dunno what this is but it sounds awesome'....

PowerFX Electro Clashmatic has some stuff i've never heard on some synths before. check it out!

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Originally posted by Beyer You're not trying hard enough. Seriously. You will be better off learning how to program sounds yourself, and not rely on sound pack samples. Just learn how to program a synth PROPERLYY. I mean, every single parameter it has. Sample pack leads = lazy/unoriginal Just my opinion

This is gonna be a long post.

First, "Beyer" I am not singling you out in anyway. I posted this thread before I went out for a few drinks with my friends and now this is what I have to say.

ANYTIME someone comes on this forum asking a question that has to do with getting better sounds there is a cult of people who come in spewing out shit like "learn how to program a synth" or "you're being lazy, waste more time fiddling with knobs that do nothing".

I have every g/damn vst out there.
I have enough knowledge to tell anyone on this forum there are LOTS & LOTS of sounds you CAN NOT get with a softsynth.

I don't give a shit how much you think you know or how good you think you are.
An access virus is made and packed SO TIGHT that its sonic character CAN NOT be replicated by any cheap BS commerical vst you think you can sit around twiddling knobs for 48 years to acheive.

A friend just sent me the first 6 SF2's from the virus pack on VIP ZONE to hear, I would like to see one of you "unlazy I have all day to program a synth that still sounds like shit" people tell me you can make something even less then semicomprable to impress me.

So thanks to DJ Ross I will check that out.
Anyone else who wants to debate the difference between a $3000 synth or a shitty fucking cakewalk z3ta, rapture or w/e the hell you use that you think you can get similiar sounds from, please try me.

I can get some pretty awesome sounds out of Gladiator from Tone2 but, like Beyer said it requires some programming knowledge. But, in general it depends on what types of sounds you are going for. You can find Virus sample packs and so forth. But in the end I feel that it depends on alot of your mixing skills and effects to get the sound I want. But, thats me! I can't speak for you, but, if you don't know how to program a synth properly you owe it to yourself as a producer to at least try and learn, cause like Beyer said, it will be original. And I am not part of a cult, cause I will use samples and patches, but, the best sounding tracks I have made come from stuff I programmed myself, and I am not that great. Yet

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox This is gonna be a long post. First, "Beyer" I am not singling you out in anyway. I posted this thread before I went out for a few drinks with my friends and now this is what I have to say. ANYTIME someone comes on this forum asking a question that has to do with getting better sounds there is a cult of people who come in spewing out shit like "learn how to program a synth" or "you're being lazy, waste more time fiddling with knobs that do nothing". I have every g/damn vst out there. I have enough knowledge to tell anyone on this forum there are LOTS & LOTS of sounds you CAN NOT get with a softsynth. I don't give a shit how much you think you know or how good you think you are. An access virus is made and packed SO TIGHT that its sonic character CAN NOT be replicated by any cheap BS commerical vst you think you can sit around twiddling knobs for 48 years to acheive. A friend just sent me the first 6 SF2's from the virus pack on VIP ZONE to hear, I would like to see one of you "unlazy I have all day to program a synth that still sounds like shit" people tell me you can make something even less then semicomprable to impress me. So thanks to DJ Ross I will check that out. Anyone else who wants to debate the difference between a $3000 synth or a shitty fucking cakewalk z3ta, rapture or w/e the hell you use that you think you can get similiar sounds from, please try me.

i dunno mate i came out with some phat sounds from massive/fm8 and such... you can hear it on my myspace... give a listen to "warm espresso" it is a recent project and if youd like i can give you a description on how its done...

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First I want to apologize, if the tone in my post was a little harsh. I had just returned home from a party, and had probably a little too much.. Why can't I just leave the PC the *uck alone when I'm drunk.

Anyway, I still feel the same regarding sample pack leads. However, of course there are lots of ways of making sample leads sound original. But sampled leads tend to sound a little static, to me at least. EXACTLY why I hate nexus.

You said you have every single vst out there: that's actually not a benefit. It's better to own few synths, and know them well - compared to having a huge pile of synths, knowing just 20% of their capabilities.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I offended you - that was not my intention.

And sorry, I can't think of any sampled lead packs I would recommend.

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Originally posted by Beyer But sampled leads tend to sound a little static, to me at least. EXACTLY why I hate nexus.

One way to combat this, is with compression. One of the most artistic uses of compression is to give a sound more movement, hence a little less static sounding. That is just one example but there are many other effects you can apply to make it sound like there is movement, such as chorus.

I personally like Nexus but, I find that it can sound quite dull until I put some of my processing on the sounds.

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Nice tip!

gimme a SAW, SQUARE and SINE
gimme 12/24/36Db filters together with cutoff and resonace
gimme ASDR

And i should be set.

Unfortunately RR is right, even if you have decet synth programming skills a lot of VSTi's just lack the character of HW equivalents (expections being the Tone2 stuff and NI)

I am lloking into a virus TI solely for that reason, since the dreaded supersaw sounds different on a JP8800, P-8, Synth1, A1, Gladiator, Vanguard. All with their own strenghts and weaknesses.

I guess it depends on taste.

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Originally posted by Raphie gimme a SAW, SQUARE and SINE gimme 12/24/36Db filters together with cutoff and resonace gimme ASDR And i should be set. Unfortunately RR is right, even if you have decet synth programming skills a lot of VSTi's just lack the character of HW equivalents (expections being the Tone2 stuff and NI) I am lloking into a virus TI solely for that reason, since the dreaded supersaw sounds different on a JP8800, P-8, Synth1, A1, Gladiator, Vanguard. All with their own strenghts and weaknesses. I guess it depends on taste.

then why not just use NI and tone2 stuff?? i find myself with FM8 and Massive on all projects... plus you gotta have some cheap synths, they don't consume as much memory (tau, tau pro, tbl, stuff like that) and can do some pretty neat things, and are as easy as f*ck to fiddle with...

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I don't give a shit how much you think you know or how good you think you are. An access virus is made and packed SO TIGHT that its sonic character CAN NOT be replicated by any cheap BS commerical vst you think you can sit around twiddling knobs for 48 years to acheive.

Agreed, but honestly.. if u really want that sound, get a Virus.. samples are just so so much you can do with. And they loose quality because they are probably just sampled like 3 notes an octave or something.

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