Okay.. with all this debate going on on who has the better scene between Montreal and Toronto. I will give my two cents.

Give you some background on me. I am a Montreal and have been living here for the past 12 years, but, contrarely to most of you, I have been to a lot of other places and for a long period: Toronto (for 6 months: work and party), LA & San Diego (1 week: party), New York (1 week of partying), Boston, San Fran, Miami, Ibiza, London, Barcelona, Rimini, Rome, Madrid, Paris, Amsterdam and I could go on..

I camn honestly say that MTL has one of the best nightlifes in the world.. London has a great one too, but it is different.. same goes with Ibiza... It is hard to compare North America to Europe since european cities tend to have on a regular basis the best DJs and that the electronic scene has matured.. People tend to be older and classier at events.. Anyways, I could start a whole thread on a europe vs north america perception of electronica and clubbing scene.

Now, as far as North America is concerned, I would have to say that, the only cities that can compare (same if not better) to Montreal are NY City, San Fran and Miami.

Now, here is why Toronto is not better than Montreal (and trust me I wa sthere for 6 months, so I know the place really well).

1. Electronic music in MTL is a lifestyle, mainstream and is everywhere. Most bars, restaurants and clubs play electronica. St-Laurent street is, for me, reminiscent of Italy (where house music is huge too) and Ibiza. Everything everywhere is house/techno/etc. In Toronto, the more commercial and most popular sound is R&B and hip hop.

2. Toronbto does not have the same type of quality chill-out restaurant-bars that we have in Montreal.. The only other place you can find such a huge proportion of house bars (Im talking here about all St-lAurent bars) (not clubs) is in Europe

3. As far as DJ quality and number, I think that the scenbe is pretty comparable. You do have a comparable number of great DJs comming to Toronto. So, no real difference there!

4. I personnaly don't enjoy the TO crowd much (but, some people might prefer the TO crowd):
a) It is much more of a clubber crowd
b) There are lots of 50-year old cracked out asians at the Guvernment (one of the main TO afters)
c) There are not as many sexy people
d) People tend to be not as sociable
e) There are lots of really young people
BUT, I think that you can find better dancers (lots of liquid dancers), better lightshow people than in MTL
WHILE in MTL, it is more of a "Touch me and I want to touch you" crowd in afters/raves (in general)

5. The fact that clubs close at 2AM really sucks especially for someone used to going out later at night (12-1AM like me)

6. Venues:
a) The guvernment is probably one of the most beautiful complexes I have ever seen (it is even comparable to some Ibiza clubs; but the crowd just sucks (see above), the DJ is too far from the action... A great laser system though, and great side rooms (Charlies, Tanja, etc)
b) System is not bad.. it is sort of the TO sona.. even though the crowd, again, is not as fashionable and nice looking as at Sona
c) Turbo, Tonic and others are okay at best.
d) Industry, while it was open, was the shit. I must say that since the place has closed down, the TO nightscene has gone down a lot (especially the crowd)
e) Lack of variety... You only have 3-4 afters with a handful of descent clubs and bars for a city twice the size of Montreal..

So, anyways, I believe that MTL has one of the better nightlifes ine North America (even the world).
1) It is completely different that the European scene, so it is impossible to compare
2) Compared to other major NA cities, only NY, Miami, and San Fransisco are comparable
3) Toronto, without Industry, and with the subpar crowd, lackluster variety and quantity of good house/techno bars/clubs, etc, can not compare to Montreal's

Don't get me wrong. I've enjoyed myself in the past in TO and it is great and better than lots of cities' (for example, LA, Boston, Atlanta, etc), but Montreal, due to its European touch/influences and all points mentionned above, is, in my opinion, better!

Sorry for the long post.. but I had to give my two cents on that issue...

Moose

to try and keep it short.....

why montreal kicks ass:
-in montreal every single club/bar plays house or techno or electro....in every other canadian city it's usually mainstream hip-hop and top 40 crap.....
-the afterhours clubs in mtl...sona, stereo and aria are the 3 best clubs in canada...
-the amount of hot ladies at every club is incredible
-the amount of huge techno and progreesive dj's is crazy
-they party harder than any other city..at 9 am the big clubs are still packed..
-tiesto 3 times a year

why montreal sux:
-no breakbeat or drum n bass scene at all..none!
-most ppl are completely clueless about electronic music and couldnt tell if it was richie hawtin or tiesto...nevermind if it were techno/trance..they just like hard beats
-every dj plays way way to hard in that city.....it's always really hard...sometimes to much for my liking
-the hells angels run the town and will sooner or later kill the scene
-it's a way more older serious clubber crowd than cool fun raver crowd
-514
-tiesto for $70.00


next review...toronto

both of you suck
what a complete waiste of time

damn zing! lower ont that caffeine

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i can tell the difference between richie hawtin and TIESTO

i don't like drum & bass

514 is one of the best promoters in Canada

And i bought my TIESTO ticket for CAD$ 38.00

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Last edited by SpoutnicK on Jun-02-2002 at 15:18

ZinG sed bouzak ya khara madinetna a7sen men madinethoum

anyway , to make things shorter , MONTREAL IS THE PARTY CITY

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Sorry montreal sucks and TORONTO OWNS

toronto
-Much Bigger City
-Much Better
-Deejays don't play as hard
-we do have a big house scene and big d'n'b scene

cons
-mel lastman

Nuff Said!

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Originally posted by torontotrance Sorry montreal sucks and TORONTO OWNS toronto -Much Bigger City -Much Better -Deejays don't play as hard -we do have a big house scene and big d'n'b scene cons -mel lastman Nuff Said!

Andrew ur soooooo lame , much bigger city doesn't mean better you mofo . how do u explain that there are more torontonians coming to party in montreal than montrealers going to party in toronto ?????

yes you have a big house scene in toronto , that's cool , but montreal has a HUGER one . and no thanks we don't need d'n'b u can keep it for u (it means more candy ravers since u adore and love them sooooooo much)

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tta stfu u're the last person to comment on this subject

STFU eh.....i knew crap like that would come from a fool like you zing anyways. The toronto house scene is bigger than the montreal one.....you bunch of fruits. Do i care how many ppl go to montreal, that's there opinion and options. I'll just wait till you mofos arrive in t.o for armin....later this month.

torontotrance, Montreal as much people in downtown than toronto.
Toronto is big because of it's subburbs.
There is 1 200 000 residency people in Montreal downtown and only 600 000 in Toronto.

The only really good thing Toronto as more than Montreal is money!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is the only thing we really need over here!

But there is much more action in Montreal, there is latin blood people that make people really warm and ready to party like crazy.

Many festivals and party like:
Black & Blue
Bal en Blanc
Cream
Gay Pride Week (over 1 million people, biggest in Canada)
Arrivals
Formula 1 week-end (Canada biggest event and money from outside the country)
Jazz Festival (World biggest)
Cart Indy racing week-end
Just for Laugh festivals
Francofolies Festivals

And some party like:
OASIS
Swirl
Celebration
and all other underground party (less than 3000 people)

Clubs and afterhours like:
Aria
Sona
Stereo
Red-Lite
Level
Ilume
Sky
Unity
Groove Society
Jet club
Living
and many mores...

As for Toronto Drum & Bass scene, yes it's really good for you but all the biggest drum & Bass artists played Montreal:
GrooveRider
LTJ Bukem
Adam F
Hype
Rony Size
etc...

Montreal is not better than Toronto but really different.
The biggest difference is Montreal more underground than Toronto.
It start later, close later, harder music et...
Toronto is more USA style.

i think this thread is kind of pointless, to each his own!

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