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Magnus
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Midi events slightly off when zoomed way in, despite snap always on

I'm using Cubase SX3 and work almost entirely in midi. This happened to me before in the past but I kind of forgot about it. I'm deep into writing a track and while playing some of the later sections, I notice percussion being ever so slightly off. Looking at the track, it appears ok, but when you zoom WAY in on a measure bar, you can see that almost all of the events are slightly off and are not snapped to the measure bar. I never turn snap off so I'm wondering what am I doing for this to happen? My snap is set to Grid. Maybe its my method of copying? I duplicate midi by either using CTRL + D or by ALT dragging.

The problem just gets worse as you continue to duplicate shifty parts so I didn't notice it until pretty late into the track. I tried to reproduce this problem starting from a correctly snapped midi piece and no matter how I tried to duplicate it I could not reproduce this subtle shift off the measure bar.

Has anyone had this happen or know why its happening? Is there an easy way to fix it other than by adjusting each piece by hand?

Thanks guys!

Here is measure 182 zoomed out:

Here is measure 182 zoomed in at maximum. Notice how everything is slightly off:

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kadomony
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i dunno about Cubase but is there a way to quantize the end points of all selected midi notes?

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Magnus
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i dunno about Cubase but is there a way to quantize the end points of all selected midi notes?

I tried this but it quantizes the midi data and notes within the bars but leaves the bars where they are.

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Mar-03-2009 22:12

Rusty O'Hara
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Registered: Oct 2004
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As a test, in the arrangement window:

Check your Quantise settings, set to bar, and press J for snap to marker. Select all Ctrl+A and press Q to quantise.

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Subtle
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Just take the first event and snap the start and end of the bar into place, and press that Ctrl+D like crazy. If the first event is correct on the start and end this should not happen.

I have seen this alot, the main reason in my experience is that you duplicate a huge number of events at once, and if one of the events beginning or end is slightly off it will affect the rest of them.

So, again.. check that the first event is spot on, and then duplicate them one by one. Then u can be 100% sure they will be sync.

Tip: Glue the events together as 8 bars.. easier to transport them.

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Magnus
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Registered: Mar 2001
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Originally posted by Subtle
Just take the first event and snap the start and end of the bar into place, and press that Ctrl+D like crazy. If the first event is correct on the start and end this should not happen.

I have seen this alot, the main reason in my experience is that you duplicate a huge number of events at once, and if one of the events beginning or end is slightly off it will affect the rest of them.

So, again.. check that the first event is spot on, and then duplicate them one by one. Then u can be 100% sure they will be sync.

Tip: Glue the events together as 8 bars.. easier to transport them.

Rusty I tried that but the event boxes wouldn't move, only the notes within the boxes.

Subtle, that makes perfect sense thanks!

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Rusty O'Hara
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quote:
Originally posted by Magnus
Rusty I tried that but the event boxes wouldn't move, only the notes within the boxes.

Sounds like a problem with Cubase that can happen when you muck around with tempo and play order tracks.

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Originally posted by Magnus Subtle, that makes perfect sense thanks!

Sounds like you have a workaround going.

Mar-04-2009 03:39 Ireland

MOK
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Registered: Dec 2007
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I see this happen, but it's usually a result of duplicating an event that either wasn't quantised to begin with, or the end point doesn't extend all the way to the grid. The more it gets duplicated, the more pronounced the discrepancy.
When I've done as Subtle suggested, to correct one and then replace everything accordingly, the problem is gone.

However, I suggest taking this issue to Cubase.net. I've always had problems promptly solved by the good folks there.
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