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The Vatican on Wednesday defended Pope Benedict XVI's opposition to the use of condoms to stop the spread of AIDS as activists, doctors and governments criticized it as unrealistic, unscientific and dangerous. Benedict, arriving in Africa, said Tuesday that condoms "increase the problem" of AIDS. The comment, made to reporters aboard his plane, caused a worldwide storm of criticism....

Source = http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/18/europe/pope.php

GO CHURCH GO ! ! !

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Originally posted by Lightshow i wear sunglasses for the same reason everybody wears them in a club. 1: people look cool in sunglasses 2: it gets awefully bright as the night progresses

*nusty does not wear sunglasses at night, they make it hard to see and you could trip

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1 + 1 = 5!!

you might've wanted to quote the whole article first.

The church has never supported the use of condoms as its stance is that sexual intercourse is meant for procreation.

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Asked about the criticism, a Vatican spokesman, the Reverend Federico Lombardi, said that the pope was expressing a longstanding Vatican position, and that Benedict wanted to stress that a reliance on condoms distracted from the need for proper education in sexual conduct. The Vatican asserts that condoms can lead to risky sexual behavior, but many contest that view.

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PS. I cant help being immature and giggle at this: "Kevin De Cock, director of the H.I.V./AIDS program at the World Health Organization"

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Well, he is right, if...

- people only ever had sex for the purpose of procreation
- only had sex with people they were married to
- abstained from sex outside of marriage

It would greatly slow down the spread of STDs, it would also suck the fun outta livin I say.

no one ever bothers to actually understand the Pope's positions on things like this. What the Vatican's position is that the distribution and use of condoms create a sense of security regarding STD, which leads to an environment of sexual permissiveness, which results in more people having sex with multiple partners, which increases the potential for the spread of HIV/STDs. The pope's position is that the above situation is less desirable then if people were educated in "proper sexual conduct," which means (in the church's eyes) monogamous sexual relationships between married persons. While the church's position that sex be reserved for married couples only may be idealistic it would do a better job at preventing the spread of STDs then the use of condoms would. Now we all know that people simply aren't going to be abstinent until marriage and then monogamous after marriage; however, the church holds itself up as a moral authority... you cannot expect them to promote moral relativism; nevertheless, for one to write off the pope's position as being without merit simply shows one does not understand it.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Lets all just pick on a few words said by the religious, twist them around, publicize them and laugh since they are soooooo uneducated.

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Originally posted by El K Dee Lets all just pick on a few words said by the religious, twist them around, publicize them and laugh since they are soooooo uneducated.

Especially those with doctorates and illustrious careers as university professors... you have to be pretty stupid to earn a PhD and spend 26 years lecturing at several respected universities.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard moral relativism

those are the keywords...

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard no one ever bothers to actually understand the Pope's positions on things like this. What the Vatican's position is that the distribution and use of condoms create a sense of security regarding STD, which leads to an environment of sexual permissiveness, which results in more people having sex with multiple partners, which increases the potential for the spread of HIV/STDs. The pope's position is that the above situation is less desirable then if people were educated in "proper sexual conduct," which means (in the church's eyes) monogamous sexual relationships between married persons. While the church's position that sex be reserved for married couples only may be idealistic it would do a better job at preventing the spread of STDs then the use of condoms would. Now we all know that people simply aren't going to be abstinent until marriage and then monogamous after marriage; however, the church holds itself up as a moral authority... you cannot expect them to promote moral relativism; nevertheless, for one to write off the pope's position as being without merit simply shows one does not understand it.

Bullshit, there's moral relativism and there's pragmatism. Moral relativism is saying different standards apply to different people, cultures, times or places. Pragmatism says that sometimes we have to accept a lesser evil in order to do the most good for the most people. The Pope is looking in the face of one of the greatest tragedies of modern history--the AIDs epidemic in Africa, and refusing to accept the slightest concession to pragmatism that could save thousands of lives and the destruction of entire societies, in favor of wagging his finger at people for not abiding by catholic standards of sexual morality. That's inexcusable. He's also spreading LIES about the effectiveness of condoms in a part of the world where lack of education about sexual heath is LETHAL.

The Pope's message is directly contributing to people's deaths, and for that I hope he gets gang-raped bareback by a dozen Algerians.

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