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Sorensen
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Arrow Mixing in headphones only, the proper way?

Quite complicated explanation about mixing in headphones only, but read through for an interesting question!


I notice that more and more big Trance DJs out there are doing all the mixing in their headphones these days, not only for que/beatmatching but also the Live mixing.

This has its advantages, in such as:
-You don't need to put your volume that high, in order to cope with the level in the club.
-You don't have to rely on your Booth monitors when mixing.
-You don't have to flip your ear in&out of your cup to check the beatmatch.
-You can record a mix at late night without disturbing your neighbors.

There are a few beatmatching techniques out there, but to be clear - the one I'm referring to is stereo mixing in headphones - NOT split que (with one track in each ear).

The worlds leading trance DJ, Armin Van Buuren is using this technique. Doing all the mixing in his headphones.

Q: But how does he do it?

I've tried different ways, but are still not sure which way is the best. After studying Armin in quite a few videos, it seems like he's using this method:


Example:

Channel 2: Live track
Channel 4: Cued track

Qued in headphones:
Channel 4 Cue + Master Cue.
Headphones MIXING knob: Turned slightly to the left, towards cue (guessing this is done to get the same volume of each track)

1)Above settings used for doing the beatmatching, while Live track is palying. THEN - When mixing in (remember with using headphones only)

2)Cuts Channel 4 Cue, So only Master Cue is playing (To be able to hear how the Cued track comes in to the mix)

3)Then keep pushing Channel 4 Cue button on/off to check that the beats are in match, while doing the mixing with only Master Cue pushed down.

4)When Low EQ is flipped around so you have the low-end of the Cue'd track playing (mixed fully in) - Then you switch to the Channel 2 Cue button on/off to check your beats, while mixing the Live track out.

- But here's the problem:
When you have both channels Live, and you press Channel 4 Cue to check your mix, the volume increases A LOT! (obviously since you now have both channels in Master Cue)
And since you have the volume quite high in the first place, to be sure you catch every beat that goes out Live, in the master cue, this will keep blasting your ears on&off when re-pushing the Ch-Cue.
It also is quite annoying and easily puts off your concentration on the Live mix as it now appears significantly lower in volume.

So back to my question again. Is this the right way to stereo mix with your headphones only, or am I missing something essential here?

I know there are different ways of doing it, of what you prefer yourself. But when that is said, there's always 1 more common proper way of doing it. - As I believe f.ex Armin is using.
And for what I think of, doing an 8 hour set with consistent volume increase/decrease in your headphones wouldn't be preferable. So there must be a way around this problem?

Any suggestions or inputs guys? How do you mix in your headphones?

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Tony Morello
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you leave the cue on, you just twist the cue pan knob all the way to master when it comes time to mix, then if you need to check the track mid mix just twist back towards cue on the cue pan knob until you can hear what you need to hear

i usually mix in the headphones as much as i can, i'll leave one cup half on/half off my ear while the other is fully on


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cliffm
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Orlando, FL

I really don't see the importance of stereo cueing. I've been using split cue for years. I've even modded my Xone 4D to do split cue. The way I have my system setup is that both sides of the headphones are the same as far as output goes. This way I know how loud to set up the incoming track is compared to the master. I can also set up the eqs this way too. Once I play both tracks at the same time out the master I switch off the cue and have the master running in the headphones and make my adjustments from there. If a track gets slightly off and I need help identifying it, I just quickly switch back the left side to cue. I spin at a lounge for 4 hours a night and this method has worked for me. It enables me to do seamless mixes in a noisy environment by using high end in ear monitors with a quality headphone amp.

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Zild
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Who cares what Armin is doing? Do what works for you.


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djsaekone
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I usually turn the knob all the way to master,then cue the channel into the headphones. That way you can hear the incoming track without actually mixing it in yet. Then once you got the beats matched turn the cue'd channel off and then just start mixing. You will be able to hear the mix like if it were mixing out to the main speakers.

Youll probably find yourself turning the cue/master knob alot.

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Sorensen
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Thanks for the inputs guys! And for sharing your own technique


quote:
Originally posted by djsaekone
[..] Then once you got the beats matched turn the cue'd channel off and then just start mixing. [..]
Youll probably find yourself turning the cue/master knob alot.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tony Morello
you leave the cue on, you just twist the cue pan knob all the way to master when it comes time to mix, then if you need to check the track mid mix just twist back towards cue on the cue pan knob until you can hear what you need to hear

i usually mix in the headphones as much as i can, i'll leave one cup half on/half off my ear while the other is fully on


Tony, won't that be almost exactly the same method as I described, only that you are twisting the 'cue pan knob' instead of pushing the ch.cue button off/on?

You still get that nasty volume increase/decrease when you turn it back counterclockwise to listen to the beatmatch. -But you might not need to turn it all the way to the top position, so you'll not blasting your ear too much?
-Otherwise it would be the same as using the chan.cue button. Meaning you don't get a steady volume.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Zild
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I find if you just twist it a little to give to make sure you're solid before you bring in a track is all you really need, but then again my mixer doesn't have cue blend, so I can't stereo mix in the headphones the way you're describing.


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Zak McKracken
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nothing is simpler than mixing in the headfones. after many years with shitty stereos u actualy enjoys the headfone mix alot more. though my ears got to hell at certain occations.

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meh, I like hearing the monitors.


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I'd rather mix off the delay in a club with no monitors to be honest. I hate mixing in the headphones. Ironically it was the only way I was able to learn how to beat match initially.


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What I've been doing recently (since i switched back to my Vestax PCV 275 for shits and giggles, usually use my Xone92) to save my ears when i'm cueing up the next track i have my headphone volume quite low and then hit the cue button for the incoming track and increase the volume on the cued channel, in effect 'blending' it. Sometimes i go into the red with the cue'd track but i never bring it in like that.

I turn it right down so the levels are similar and then bring it in.

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quote:
Originally posted by Zild
Who cares what Armin is doing? Do what works for you.


That's the f*cking solution.

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