I recently thought about the idea of how much society in general rests upon the notion of beauty or vanity as a narcissistic ideal. I'm not arguing that each person upholds this idea willfully, but that the idea rests in mind as a foundation to which our living is spurred.

How we as humans go to the extent of beautifying most things, such as food, i mean in a way that we present it before we eat it, or to how we observe ourselves (as we all do i'm sure). I am being very general here as well - particularly, that in all accounts of human behavior a valuable amount of this idea rests at the base of thought towards the outcome of outward creation.

Thus, that this idea of beauty extends into all areas of our everday lives through direct (consciously aware) and indirect (unconsciously etc) methods.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No, but I also don't drink out of a fucking sippy-cup you goddamned Appalachian.

The human beauty ideal is a congealment of two reproductive desires, youth and health. A young and healthy person is more likely to have healthy offspring. Symmetry, clear skin, and a face without extreme proportions represent health, and physical fitness represents youth. Therein you have "beauty" of human form.

Nature is beautiful, and Man evolved in nature. He watched the sun rise and set, noticed patterns in practically everything. Beauty is already built into our genetics and surroundings, and we base most things on it. Some people are just too shallow and form all their opinions on appearance, whether it be food, people, fashion, etc.

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Originally posted by lenazi http://www.emo-corner.com/

emotionally driven emo's = vanity!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The human beauty ideal is a congealment of two reproductive desires, youth and health. A young and healthy person is more likely to have healthy offspring. Symmetry, clear skin, and a face without extreme proportions represent health, and physical fitness represents youth. Therein you have "beauty" of human form.

I agree it stems from pre historic times as you mention Ziptnf which led us to the ideal as you suggest MrJive, but i feel that the true nature of what it was in its onset has been removed by the gradual nature of society into a narcissistic fassion and now driven by obsession. I would argue this obsession or desire is what spurred the initial idea sanctioned by grace, but its now out of control

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Ill tell you why im so damn angry, these shamu fat mother ******s that think they can go through life pieing out on every fucking morsel of food, then scrounge off the system, becuase their fucking organs have gone into retirement!!!! There sweaty deposits on every damn publib seat realy grinds my fucking gears. If you are so fucking wide that you require two airline seats then you should fucking pay for two or get of the mutha fucking plane, and if you are lucky enough to get a seat then dont steal my fucking arm rest with your fat bingo wings that just engulf my arm and encroach into my seating area. And yes i do want my fucking airline desert you fat fuck. Just becusase you move at a glacial pace, doesnt mean you can have a wheel chair or a mobility scooter. Mcdonalds does not fucking count as one of your five a day and neither does a footlong subway packed full of every fucking filling imaginable. Lay of the pies you fat shamu's XXXXXXXX

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No, but I also don't drink out of a fucking sippy-cup you goddamned Appalachian.

WHat do you guys think ...? are we going towards the perfection of beauty ?

I look at some Goya paintings and see that the beauty standards have changed drastically , I wonder if fat chicks will ever be hot again like in those days

There are places like Japan for example where the girls beauty mostly relies on how cute she looks more than how hot and sexy she appears , a lot of it has do to where you are at .

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Last edited by djhaziel on Aug-25-2009 at 18:02

Lanazi hmm sorry to feel so angry. I mean i agree that a certain percent of the population fails to take heed of there own embellishment such as being fat. however, as we could all agree a certain percentage of them being fat full prey to physiological dysfunction due to various factors perhaps, as you suggest organ failure. but i do think the hole runs deeper then that. And, im not fat, or taking sides just presenting an opposing point of view.

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What's wrong with that? We need beauty!

1. The only kind of existence we know is the embodied existence we experience throughout our lives;
   
2. This embodied existence takes place in a world we must act upon. We use our bodies as an instrument of engagement with this world;
   
3. In order to act upon the world, we need to interpret it;
   
4. Beauty represents desirability. What is beautiful tends to be more desirable than what isn't (though there's no objective standpoint from which you can tell what is(n't) beautiful);
   
5. Therefore, this pursuit of beauty is not only inevitable, it is essential to our very survival.
   
6. Beauty is necessary - Q.E.D.
   

I'm in a hurry, sorry for not posting this in "proper" English

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Originally posted by djhaziel WHat do you guys think ...? are we going towards the perfection of beauty ? I look at some Goya paintings and see that the beauty standards have changed drastically , I wonder if fat chicks will ever be hot again like in those days There are places like Japan for example where the girls beauty mostly relies on how cute she is more than how hot and sexy she looks, a lot of it has do to where you are at .

yeah i agree the concept of beauty is a shifting concept thats for sure as we all know its definition varies from person to person, but ultimately the foundation is the same i would argue due to its origin nature.

the perfection of beauty indeed but its moves forward consistently with us as we evolve i think.

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