Hey all,

how are things? hope all is well. My house reno is almost there so i got some time up my sleeve nowadays to try to put some music down, finaly!

I have a question regarding a particular sound that I would really like to obtain. I have a jp8000 and a few months ago a few people here helped me out to obtain that typical jp8000 trance lead sound, thanks again guys!

This time around I heard a sound on a song called deadline from dutch force, at the 3 minute mark there is a breakdown and i want to create the main lead sound used. I would love to know what synth they used!

heres the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fO6zJ0AXNM

if anyone has any advice or info it would be greatly appreciated,

cheers!

It sounds like a very basic saw patch with a filter cutoff.. I don't know anything about synthesis but I could probably whip up a sound similar to this in a couple of minutes

Sounds like a supersaw, with a typical attack envelope on the filter.

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I think there's a sound just like that in Nexus. Typical early era supersaw...

well u have the right synth for it, the jp8000 is perfect for these kinds of leads. select the supersaw oscs, and add another saw-osc, detune them and add chorus. to add even more phatness u can use both parts on the synth and use one of the then 4 avaliable oscs one lower octave. the jp8000 shocked me in two ways when i got it:

1. its clean big and raw sound (i still miss it)
2. its terrible interface (with even that few parameters its hard to program).

hey guys,

thanks for the replies.

I can get a similar sound on my JP8000 but no matter what I do with the filter envelope or overall sound (amp) envelope I cant get my sound to have the same sort of percussive attack which sounds really cool when the sound is being filtered.

My other problem is whenever I have the attack on my sound set to "0" (fastest) I get a glitching sound whenever a note is played, this happens no matter where the decay, sustain and release sliders are set to. To avoid this, I have to alter my attack time to a slightly slower value.

modulate filter with envelope

0 attack
little decay for that percussive sound
0 sustain
a bit of release to avoid popping sounds.

If that doesn't work, there is something else modulating your sound.

0 attack does not work on JP. It must be like 3ms of more or u get that click sound. this is somewhat common on hardware synth and it is bullshit if u ask me.

Another cool trick to get that percussive attack is to either use a transient designer or a compressor or modulate the pitch of the attack.

I like to do this a lot; I don't know if the JP allows you this or not, but in sylenth I modulate the pitch of all oscillators using a dedicated envelope and set the decay (time) to a very short value and then set the amount of pitch just a tiny bit. Not too much, because then it sounds obvious (and weird), but just a tiny amount of both. You need to experiment with this to find out the best values - depending on the sound - but it gives it that extra punch especially when the filters are closed.

Another way is to use the noise oscillator with a very short decay (amp) and a very short decay on the filter envelope (24db LP) to quickly open the filter on the note attack. This can also give you that punchy-percussive attack sound.

/cool tricks bro

Hey guys,

nortek is right, 0 attack gives that click, the attack fader has to be raised a bees dick to avoid that clicking sound. Last night I had another try and realised that the filter envelope depth knob has a lot to do with achieving a particular sound, I never realised how much it can change the sound. I tweeked the filter and amp envelopes (which ended being set where "mad for brad" just mentioned) and the sound is very pleasing, im really happy with it. I still need to tweek it some more but its much better than what I had.
I will keep ya posted, thanks again all, much appreciated.